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This is not true. How do you come to this conclusion?

by planb 1y ago

landl0rd 1y ago
By specifically testing it. I even made an extra account to get a clean state. You can check its memory interface and find nothing, delete all chats. It will still remember it. If you delete that and start a new thread, it may even mention the fact then say it forgot it at the user's request. You can't tell me "that's not true". If my account's memory is empty and I've deleted all chats and it still remembers things there is some hidden form of memory. It may be intentional. It may not. But it's retaining information in a way that users can't manage.
- planb 1y ago
  Sorry, but I refuse to believe you until you provide proof. What exactly did it remember? I think you are misreading the hallucinations here. If this was true, there might even be laws here in Europe that they are breaking.
  - 4ggr0 1y ago
    > there might even be laws here in Europe that they are breaking You're telling me an american technology corporation might have violated european laws? i can't imagine such a thing happening...
    - planb 1y ago
      No - but a random hacker news commenter wouldn't be the only one noticing this.
  - landl0rd 1y ago
    I am not sure how I'd provide proof. But I'd encourage you to test it. It's always possible it's a bug. You can check with something like telling it that your real name is something very identifiable/not a typical name and working from there.
    - planb 1y ago
      No the name of the user is part of the system prompt. How would you think this works? You can get ChatGPT to tell you all it knows about you, which is more than memories but never anything out of old conversations
      - landl0rd 1y ago
        Not the name of the user, a separate name. I'm aware of this. That is also not true, it can access old conversations, this is a known feature. I have been able to have it access back to the beginning of my using the site.
  - mixmastamyk 1y ago
    Wrong approach in this day and age. Data is big business. Snowden revs already over a decade old. Today: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44062586 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44062586 Oh, and soft deletion is a common pattern. Prove a tech company is not hoarding data—is the useful hypothesis for the last decade.
- fl0id 1y ago
  AFAIK it will have f e access to your account, browser info and f e location information. Just from that it can figure stuff out. Some guy tested that when they asked to locate a photo.
  - landl0rd 1y ago
    No I'm talking about specific information not related to that. You're right that it has access to that sort of rough information.

This is not true. How do you come to this conclusion?

by planb 1y ago

This is not true. How do you come to this conclusion?

By specifically testing it. I even made an extra account to get a clean state. You can check its memory interface and find nothing, delete all chats. It will still remember it. If you delete that and start a new thread, it may even mention the fact then say it forgot it at the user's request. You can't tell me "that's not true". If my account's memory is empty and I've deleted all chats and it still remembers things there is some hidden form of memory. It may be intentional. It may not. But it's retaining information in a way that users can't manage.

planb 1y ago
Sorry, but I refuse to believe you until you provide proof. What exactly did it remember? I think you are misreading the hallucinations here. If this was true, there might even be laws here in Europe that they are breaking.
- 4ggr0 1y ago
  > there might even be laws here in Europe that they are breaking You're telling me an american technology corporation might have violated european laws? i can't imagine such a thing happening...
  - planb 1y ago
    No - but a random hacker news commenter wouldn't be the only one noticing this.
- landl0rd 1y ago
  I am not sure how I'd provide proof. But I'd encourage you to test it. It's always possible it's a bug. You can check with something like telling it that your real name is something very identifiable/not a typical name and working from there.
  - planb 1y ago
    No the name of the user is part of the system prompt. How would you think this works? You can get ChatGPT to tell you all it knows about you, which is more than memories but never anything out of old conversations
    - landl0rd 1y ago
      Not the name of the user, a separate name. I'm aware of this. That is also not true, it can access old conversations, this is a known feature. I have been able to have it access back to the beginning of my using the site.
- mixmastamyk 1y ago
  Wrong approach in this day and age. Data is big business. Snowden revs already over a decade old. Today: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44062586 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44062586 Oh, and soft deletion is a common pattern. Prove a tech company is not hoarding data—is the useful hypothesis for the last decade.
fl0id 1y ago
AFAIK it will have f e access to your account, browser info and f e location information. Just from that it can figure stuff out. Some guy tested that when they asked to locate a photo.
- landl0rd 1y ago
  No I'm talking about specific information not related to that. You're right that it has access to that sort of rough information.