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It’s interesting how in music the same application of ML swamps companies like Suno in trillion dollar lawsuits, yet in graphics and text no one cares, even tho

It’s interesting how in music the same application of ML swamps companies like Suno in trillion dollar lawsuits, yet in graphics and text no one cares, even though graphics and text fall victim to the same sleight of hand. It feels like a big tech company can just ignore the law, unless another big company stands up against it (and hopefully helps the average Joe as a side-effect).

conception 1y ago
It’s not big tech. Money can ignore the law.
- itsanaccount 1y ago
  power can ignore the law, for which money is the most often proxy. we need to get back to talking about who has power and who doesn't as this pretending that we're outside of the nature of such things increasingly has no clothes.
- viraptor 1y ago
  Also, the low cost illustration business was already not amazing with the copyright law. Try ordering a few icons on Fiverr for example and see how many are repurposed from other sites. On the lower end it's not as much whether the assets are in part or fully stolen, but who does it.
  - strogonoff 1y ago
    Intuitively, there’s quite a big difference between a situation where some ‘artist’ may be sneakily repurposing preexisting work (I don’t think you’ll find a reputable artist doing that, and even a not-so-reputable repurposing artist would at least check that the license allows it), and a situation where a household name corporation only repurposes preexisting work without any regard for licensing.
  - RestartKernel 1y ago
    > Try ordering a few icons on Fiverr for example and see how many are repurposed from other sites. In which case would you order icons if they're not custom enough to be unrepurposable? Just curious, Iconify and some basic composition have been good enough for me so far.
BLKNSLVR 1y ago
The irony is in their scraping of all data within their significant radius, and yet the likes of twitter and facebook barely let you access anything of thiers without a login. If they're scraping data from everywhere to feed their beast, then their data must also be open and scrape-able. This does not, however, help the current situation where they sit upon the shoulders of millions of creative folks and provide no credit whatsoever, whilst also (actively or passively - by their existence and capability) attempting to make those very same creative folks redundant. Will there be such a thing as AI stagnation if and when creative works for "it" to digest either are no longer created or no longer accessible to 'the great crawlers'? Maybe artists can sell their works for ingestion in this scenario? Maybe that should already be the case...
- strogonoff 1y ago
  > If they're scraping data from everywhere to feed their beast, then their data must also be open and scrape-able. I think that was the idea behind the original name for ClosedAI.

conception 1y ago

It’s not big tech. Money can ignore the law.

itsanaccount 1y ago
power can ignore the law, for which money is the most often proxy. we need to get back to talking about who has power and who doesn't as this pretending that we're outside of the nature of such things increasingly has no clothes.
viraptor 1y ago
Also, the low cost illustration business was already not amazing with the copyright law. Try ordering a few icons on Fiverr for example and see how many are repurposed from other sites. On the lower end it's not as much whether the assets are in part or fully stolen, but who does it.
- strogonoff 1y ago
  Intuitively, there’s quite a big difference between a situation where some ‘artist’ may be sneakily repurposing preexisting work (I don’t think you’ll find a reputable artist doing that, and even a not-so-reputable repurposing artist would at least check that the license allows it), and a situation where a household name corporation only repurposes preexisting work without any regard for licensing.
- RestartKernel 1y ago
  > Try ordering a few icons on Fiverr for example and see how many are repurposed from other sites. In which case would you order icons if they're not custom enough to be unrepurposable? Just curious, Iconify and some basic composition have been good enough for me so far.

BLKNSLVR 1y ago

The irony is in their scraping of all data within their significant radius, and yet the likes of twitter and facebook barely let you access anything of thiers without a login. If they're scraping data from everywhere to feed their beast, then their data must also be open and scrape-able. This does not, however, help the current situation where they sit upon the shoulders of millions of creative folks and provide no credit whatsoever, whilst also (actively or passively - by their existence and capability) attempting to make those very same creative folks redundant. Will there be such a thing as AI stagnation if and when creative works for "it" to digest either are no longer created or no longer accessible to 'the great crawlers'? Maybe artists can sell their works for ingestion in this scenario? Maybe that should already be the case...

strogonoff 1y ago
> If they're scraping data from everywhere to feed their beast, then their data must also be open and scrape-able. I think that was the idea behind the original name for ClosedAI.