Discussing ahead of time whether a patient wants specific medical interventions performed or not is squarely in the domain of geriatric medicine. Health Care Pr

Discussing ahead of time whether a patient wants specific medical interventions performed or not is squarely in the domain of geriatric medicine. Health Care Proxies can sign DNRs as well, so this argument is completely unfounded. Your implicit argument is that if the patient doesn't sign a DNR, and their family/HCP doesn't sign a DNR, that it is ethical for the medical system to do it anyway on their behalf. If you want to make that argument explicitly, go right ahead. But it's going to get rejected out of hand in a thread about the healthcare industry making such decisions out of expedience, and rightfully so.