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I feel this is part of a larger and very old business trend. But do we need 20 companies copying each other and doing the same thing? Like, is that really com

I feel this is part of a larger and very old business trend. But do we need 20 companies copying each other and doing the same thing? Like, is that really competition? I'd say competition is when you do something slightly different, but I guess it's subjective based on your interpretation of what is a commodity and what is proprietary. To my view, everyone is outright copying and creating commodity markets: OpenAI: The OG, the Coke of Modern AI Claude: The first copycat, The Pepsi of Modern AI Mistral: Euro OpenAI DeepSeek: Chinese OpenAI Grok/xAI: Republican OpenAI Google/MSFT: OpenAI clone as a SaaS or Office package. Meta's Llama: Open Source OpenAI etc...

amarcheschi 1y ago
I think llama is less open source than this mistral release
nylonstrung 1y ago
Deepseek and Mistral are both more open source than Lllama
- TZubiri 1y ago
  Will check it out. I like that we are all on the same page that Openness is a numerical value rather than a boolean, the challenge now is how to measure and define it, especially with ML
  - kergonath 1y ago
    Well, Llama’s licence says that I am not allowed to use it. It does not take much to be more open then that.
waldohatesyou 1y ago
I don't think they're actually the same thing, I definitely feel like Claude is much better with code than ChatGPT is so there are clearly differences in the capabilities of these models. One analogy that I find helpful here is the idea that these AIs are like animals. Just like there are animals of the same family (meaning they're genetically related to some degree) they still adapt to different niches. I see all these AI companies ultimately creating models analogous to that. Some AIs will be good at coding (perhaps in a particular language or ecosystem), some at analyzing information and churning out a report for you, and some will be better at operating in physical spaces.
anon373839 1y ago
I think this just indicates that OpenAI's branding and marketing efforts worked on you?

amarcheschi 1y ago

I think llama is less open source than this mistral release

nylonstrung 1y ago

Deepseek and Mistral are both more open source than Lllama

TZubiri 1y ago
Will check it out. I like that we are all on the same page that Openness is a numerical value rather than a boolean, the challenge now is how to measure and define it, especially with ML
- kergonath 1y ago
  Well, Llama’s licence says that I am not allowed to use it. It does not take much to be more open then that.

waldohatesyou 1y ago

I don't think they're actually the same thing, I definitely feel like Claude is much better with code than ChatGPT is so there are clearly differences in the capabilities of these models. One analogy that I find helpful here is the idea that these AIs are like animals. Just like there are animals of the same family (meaning they're genetically related to some degree) they still adapt to different niches. I see all these AI companies ultimately creating models analogous to that. Some AIs will be good at coding (perhaps in a particular language or ecosystem), some at analyzing information and churning out a report for you, and some will be better at operating in physical spaces.

anon373839 1y ago

I think this just indicates that OpenAI's branding and marketing efforts worked on you?