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What exact use cases do I get from being able to talk to chatGPT when I am out in public? I can think of close to 0 value add to have an AI voice in my head whe

by samtp 1y ago

What exact use cases do I get from being able to talk to chatGPT when I am out in public? I can think of close to 0 value add to have an AI voice in my head when I'm taking a walk in the park or out to dinner.

eqmvii 1y ago
when i think of them, i just call 1-800-chat-gpt
- no_wizard 1y ago
  Hello and welcome to ChatGPT phone. If you know the query you would like to make, press one now.
CPLX 1y ago
I’m as much of a deep Ai skeptic as anyone but I can definitely think of use cases for while driving or walking, like asking questions about my own schedule or what people have emailed or asked me for in the last hour, or where I can get something specific to eat nearby and so on. Not sure it’s worth the hype but there are use cases. I do think it’s an interesting contrast with crypto, where there aren’t really.
- samtp 1y ago
  For both use cases I don't see how it would be any different that what anyone can currently do on their mobile device. And even if they were novel use cases, they are nowhere near solving a need that causes more than a few hundred people to pay money for a device or service.
  - glenngillen 1y ago
    I mean, you're both right. Being able to chat and iterate on stuff while I'm driving is both more productive and feels more natural than I expected before I did it. It wasn't too far removed from a brainstorming session I'd have with anyone on my team, except it was only me and ChatGPT. So there's probably a whole bunch of similar but adjacent use cases that I haven't even thought of you. But... I can already do this! My phone + CarPlay and/or my headphones actually works great. I don't see how a new device adds value or is even desirable. Unless you're going down the Google Glass/Meta Rayban path of wanting to capture video and other environmental detail you can't if my phone is in my pocket.
- no_wizard 1y ago
  What I want is for it to surface information to me, not me have to query it. Where is that AI? For example, if I usually eat between 2-4 PM, and I'm in the middle of time square, start suggesting places to eat based on my transaction history, or location history of restaurants I frequent. Something like that would be useful. If I have to ask, I might as well look at my phone most of the time. It'd likely be faster in most cases. I don't need something like that, where it must be queried to be useful, like asking it to read back my text messages, but I sure would love it if when my wife messaged me, it was smart enough to play the message unprompted if my headphones are already connected and active
  - handfuloflight 1y ago
    How do you propose you would train it to know what you want? Besides a versioned system prompt that you (or the AI) would have to continually adjust.
    - no_wizard 1y ago
      I don't think this leaves out initial setup. Another source of information: habit observation. If I do something around the same time every day, over and over again, it would be nice if it simply helped me along unless I interrupt explicitly. It should fine tune itself to observations it makes about my behavior and patterns, as opposed to me interjecting constantly The constant need to query for information, rather than have useful information contextually pushed to me, fundamentally limits its utility once the novelty wears off. Without a sufficient complexity threshold (and this assumes accurate information and trust) its more work to query for things than it is to simply do them. From a consumer perspective, thats not great.
    - netsharc 1y ago
      If you had a butler or PA who's with you all the time, they would know what genre of food you like based on your restaurant visits and your ravings about what you liked. The imaginary AI would have your location history for restaurant visits, your Instagram feed for pictures of foods/review of restaurants, your chat history to see what you've raved about. It would also have big data from other people who have seemingly similar tastes to you, to recommend you the next place to eat. Obviously since we're in lage-stage capitalism and everything is designed to extract profit out of you, we can't give commercial systems all our private data...
coffeemug 1y ago
People stare at their phones while walking, having dinner, and driving. It's not a big leap to imagine replacing that with subvocal conversations with AI.
- samtp 1y ago
  Having ongoing conversations with a sentence completion algorithm while out in public sounds extremely depressing tbh.
  - handfuloflight 1y ago
    Having ongoing conversations with a recently-descended primate that needs 8 hours of daily unconsciousness and gets emotionally invested in the opinions of complete strangers sounds extremely depressing tbh. This comment was written by Claude.
  - theshackleford 1y ago
    I’m sure people would think many of the things you engage in are extremely depressing. I know people for instance who could not think of anything more depressing than working with computers for a living. But hey, they do them and I do me. That’s the glory of things.
  - shafyy 1y ago
    Already people staring at their phones all day is depressing. But I agree, this sounds even more depressing. But it's not a very big leap from where we stand as society today.
- nickthegreek 1y ago
  i already do that with my iphone by mapping the action button to start conversation. if this product isn’t replacing the phone, then it needs to do something my phone (or watch, or glasses) doesn’t do.
- AlexandrB 1y ago
  This is better than staring at your phone how?
jdubs1984 1y ago
On a dedicated device no less…what’s the point?! You have a phone.
- DocTomoe 1y ago
  Recently, I've been moving back to 'dedicated items' instead of 'everything on the phone'. It might be an old guy finding a love for vinyl, but having a dedicated camera, a dedicated notebook, a dedicated music player ... makes making photos, writing down notes or listening to music somehow more ... meaningful to me. Maybe because I do not get distracted by the other 999 functionalities of the phone while I am trying to take photos, listen to music, or writing something down.
  - neop1x 1y ago
    Dedicated devices are often mediocre because they have to be cheap and have crappy HW and a small battery. Look at Rabbit R or Humane AI Pin. You already have a high quality expensive phone, no need to buy another crappy electronic-waste-since-manufactured device
    - DocTomoe 1y ago
      ... Unless they do bring more convenience. A popular example are smartwatches. People have a perfectly good clock, stopwatch, sleep surveillance device on their phone, and still pay 300-900 dollars for an AppleWatch. Why? Because looking at your wrist is much more efficient and fast than getting your phone out of the pocket. A phone-connected 'AI necklace' to act as a trigger and communication device to an AI interface ( maybe even a small camera ) might be more convenient than fishing your phone out of your pocket as well.
  - jdubs1984 1y ago
    This isn’t a dedicated device for something a phone app replaced though…assuming it even is a pocket or wearable way to interact with chatgpt…it’s going to need some sort of cell/data service and replace an app that already exists with a whole other device. I also am rolling back in certain areas, like writing instead of phone notes and such, but the idea of a wearable or portable chat bot device makes zero sense to me. It’s an added cost and yet another thing to lug around. As it turns out though nobody seems to know _why_ they hired Ive or what they intend him to make.
deadbabe 1y ago
You can participate in more highly intelligent discussions, great for a dinner party or a date or an interview. Everywhere you go you can know it all, many use cases. The people who don’t do it, will be at a severe disadvantage.
- samtp 1y ago
  So other people sitting at the table with you are supposed to be impressed or interested in you regurgitating words said to you by an AI voice in your head? Honestly if I went on a date and the other person was also having a conversation with an AI chatbot, I'd run as fast away as possible because that is insane.
  - deadbabe 1y ago
    It’s no different from all the other ways people try to impress each other.
    - samtp 1y ago
      It is vastly different because you aren't presenting anything novel or interesting. You'd just be parroting a computer program and acting like it is a substitute for personality, whit, and character. More than anything it would broadcast a fear of opening up and showing who you really are to other people. So instead of risking saying something silly, you replace your sense of identity with a generic chatbot. Super cool.
      - deadbabe 1y ago
        You don’t think an AI can present anything novel or interesting? You think you just know it all already??
- raincole 1y ago
  Why would the other people on the table be interested in what you're saying when they can talk to their ChatGPT too?
colordrops 1y ago
A friend of mine is constantly asking it questions everytime something comes up. She opens her phone, loads the app, hits the mic button, then listens with the phone to her ear. Would work a lot better as some sort of device.
- samtp 1y ago
  Just tell her to buy some earbuds that can trigger the assistant on your phone. Bam, problem solved.
- a_bonobo 1y ago
  'every extension is also an amputation' - Marshal McLuhan (since Neil Stephenson's recent essay brought that quote up)
- pzo 1y ago
  The interface on iPhone still can be improved - latest ones have dedicated action buttons and camera buttons. Once you can plug it to better assistant and do it without phone unlocking then it becomes more seamless. Make the same with apple watch to make hand gesture covering your ear like listening to something and then you don't even have to pickup phone from the pocket. I think there is a lot of way how iphone, apple watch, airpods (case as pendant) could deliver the best UX but it doesn't matter as long as siri sux.
acuozzo 1y ago
Executive function assistance. I'll set alerts, an alarm, write on my hand, etc. and still forget that e.g. my kids have a half-day tomorrow… even when medicated. I'd love to have a little voice in my head periodically reminding me of these things.

by samtp 1y ago

eqmvii 1y ago

when i think of them, i just call 1-800-chat-gpt

no_wizard 1y ago
Hello and welcome to ChatGPT phone. If you know the query you would like to make, press one now.

CPLX 1y ago

I’m as much of a deep Ai skeptic as anyone but I can definitely think of use cases for while driving or walking, like asking questions about my own schedule or what people have emailed or asked me for in the last hour, or where I can get something specific to eat nearby and so on. Not sure it’s worth the hype but there are use cases. I do think it’s an interesting contrast with crypto, where there aren’t really.

samtp 1y ago
For both use cases I don't see how it would be any different that what anyone can currently do on their mobile device. And even if they were novel use cases, they are nowhere near solving a need that causes more than a few hundred people to pay money for a device or service.
- glenngillen 1y ago
  I mean, you're both right. Being able to chat and iterate on stuff while I'm driving is both more productive and feels more natural than I expected before I did it. It wasn't too far removed from a brainstorming session I'd have with anyone on my team, except it was only me and ChatGPT. So there's probably a whole bunch of similar but adjacent use cases that I haven't even thought of you. But... I can already do this! My phone + CarPlay and/or my headphones actually works great. I don't see how a new device adds value or is even desirable. Unless you're going down the Google Glass/Meta Rayban path of wanting to capture video and other environmental detail you can't if my phone is in my pocket.
no_wizard 1y ago
What I want is for it to surface information to me, not me have to query it. Where is that AI? For example, if I usually eat between 2-4 PM, and I'm in the middle of time square, start suggesting places to eat based on my transaction history, or location history of restaurants I frequent. Something like that would be useful. If I have to ask, I might as well look at my phone most of the time. It'd likely be faster in most cases. I don't need something like that, where it must be queried to be useful, like asking it to read back my text messages, but I sure would love it if when my wife messaged me, it was smart enough to play the message unprompted if my headphones are already connected and active
- handfuloflight 1y ago
  How do you propose you would train it to know what you want? Besides a versioned system prompt that you (or the AI) would have to continually adjust.
  - no_wizard 1y ago
    I don't think this leaves out initial setup. Another source of information: habit observation. If I do something around the same time every day, over and over again, it would be nice if it simply helped me along unless I interrupt explicitly. It should fine tune itself to observations it makes about my behavior and patterns, as opposed to me interjecting constantly The constant need to query for information, rather than have useful information contextually pushed to me, fundamentally limits its utility once the novelty wears off. Without a sufficient complexity threshold (and this assumes accurate information and trust) its more work to query for things than it is to simply do them. From a consumer perspective, thats not great.
  - netsharc 1y ago
    If you had a butler or PA who's with you all the time, they would know what genre of food you like based on your restaurant visits and your ravings about what you liked. The imaginary AI would have your location history for restaurant visits, your Instagram feed for pictures of foods/review of restaurants, your chat history to see what you've raved about. It would also have big data from other people who have seemingly similar tastes to you, to recommend you the next place to eat. Obviously since we're in lage-stage capitalism and everything is designed to extract profit out of you, we can't give commercial systems all our private data...

coffeemug 1y ago

People stare at their phones while walking, having dinner, and driving. It's not a big leap to imagine replacing that with subvocal conversations with AI.

samtp 1y ago
Having ongoing conversations with a sentence completion algorithm while out in public sounds extremely depressing tbh.
- handfuloflight 1y ago
  Having ongoing conversations with a recently-descended primate that needs 8 hours of daily unconsciousness and gets emotionally invested in the opinions of complete strangers sounds extremely depressing tbh. This comment was written by Claude.
- theshackleford 1y ago
  I’m sure people would think many of the things you engage in are extremely depressing. I know people for instance who could not think of anything more depressing than working with computers for a living. But hey, they do them and I do me. That’s the glory of things.
- shafyy 1y ago
  Already people staring at their phones all day is depressing. But I agree, this sounds even more depressing. But it's not a very big leap from where we stand as society today.
nickthegreek 1y ago
i already do that with my iphone by mapping the action button to start conversation. if this product isn’t replacing the phone, then it needs to do something my phone (or watch, or glasses) doesn’t do.
AlexandrB 1y ago
This is better than staring at your phone how?

jdubs1984 1y ago

On a dedicated device no less…what’s the point?! You have a phone.

DocTomoe 1y ago
Recently, I've been moving back to 'dedicated items' instead of 'everything on the phone'. It might be an old guy finding a love for vinyl, but having a dedicated camera, a dedicated notebook, a dedicated music player ... makes making photos, writing down notes or listening to music somehow more ... meaningful to me. Maybe because I do not get distracted by the other 999 functionalities of the phone while I am trying to take photos, listen to music, or writing something down.
- neop1x 1y ago
  Dedicated devices are often mediocre because they have to be cheap and have crappy HW and a small battery. Look at Rabbit R or Humane AI Pin. You already have a high quality expensive phone, no need to buy another crappy electronic-waste-since-manufactured device
  - DocTomoe 1y ago
    ... Unless they do bring more convenience. A popular example are smartwatches. People have a perfectly good clock, stopwatch, sleep surveillance device on their phone, and still pay 300-900 dollars for an AppleWatch. Why? Because looking at your wrist is much more efficient and fast than getting your phone out of the pocket. A phone-connected 'AI necklace' to act as a trigger and communication device to an AI interface ( maybe even a small camera ) might be more convenient than fishing your phone out of your pocket as well.
- jdubs1984 1y ago
  This isn’t a dedicated device for something a phone app replaced though…assuming it even is a pocket or wearable way to interact with chatgpt…it’s going to need some sort of cell/data service and replace an app that already exists with a whole other device. I also am rolling back in certain areas, like writing instead of phone notes and such, but the idea of a wearable or portable chat bot device makes zero sense to me. It’s an added cost and yet another thing to lug around. As it turns out though nobody seems to know _why_ they hired Ive or what they intend him to make.

deadbabe 1y ago

You can participate in more highly intelligent discussions, great for a dinner party or a date or an interview. Everywhere you go you can know it all, many use cases. The people who don’t do it, will be at a severe disadvantage.

samtp 1y ago
So other people sitting at the table with you are supposed to be impressed or interested in you regurgitating words said to you by an AI voice in your head? Honestly if I went on a date and the other person was also having a conversation with an AI chatbot, I'd run as fast away as possible because that is insane.
- deadbabe 1y ago
  It’s no different from all the other ways people try to impress each other.
  - samtp 1y ago
    It is vastly different because you aren't presenting anything novel or interesting. You'd just be parroting a computer program and acting like it is a substitute for personality, whit, and character. More than anything it would broadcast a fear of opening up and showing who you really are to other people. So instead of risking saying something silly, you replace your sense of identity with a generic chatbot. Super cool.
    - deadbabe 1y ago
      You don’t think an AI can present anything novel or interesting? You think you just know it all already??
raincole 1y ago
Why would the other people on the table be interested in what you're saying when they can talk to their ChatGPT too?

colordrops 1y ago

A friend of mine is constantly asking it questions everytime something comes up. She opens her phone, loads the app, hits the mic button, then listens with the phone to her ear. Would work a lot better as some sort of device.

samtp 1y ago
Just tell her to buy some earbuds that can trigger the assistant on your phone. Bam, problem solved.
a_bonobo 1y ago
'every extension is also an amputation' - Marshal McLuhan (since Neil Stephenson's recent essay brought that quote up)
pzo 1y ago
The interface on iPhone still can be improved - latest ones have dedicated action buttons and camera buttons. Once you can plug it to better assistant and do it without phone unlocking then it becomes more seamless. Make the same with apple watch to make hand gesture covering your ear like listening to something and then you don't even have to pickup phone from the pocket. I think there is a lot of way how iphone, apple watch, airpods (case as pendant) could deliver the best UX but it doesn't matter as long as siri sux.

acuozzo 1y ago

Executive function assistance. I'll set alerts, an alarm, write on my hand, etc. and still forget that e.g. my kids have a half-day tomorrow… even when medicated. I'd love to have a little voice in my head periodically reminding me of these things.