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The article claims that nursing homes were pressured to add DNRs to people's records against their will. That's not just near a the line. That's not just over

The article claims that nursing homes were pressured to add DNRs to people's records against their will. That's not just near a the line. That's not just over the line. That's "absolute fucking evil" territory.

fzeroracer 1y ago
I'm old enough to remember when Sarah Palin was yelling about insurance death panels and how bad universal healthcare was. Somehow it always ends up as projection, and none of those same people will care about literal death panels.
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tekla 1y ago
Oh please, DNR is a complicated territory. Sometimes people are unable to vouch for themselves, or demand very invasive procedures. It's easy to claim that others deserve to have their demands met about procedures in the face of rational argument. My parents have a DNR because they are both doctors and have spent too much time forcibly keeping people alive-ish because they were ordered to keep people on the edge of death alive, consuming incredible amounts of money, manpower, probable pain, and medication to keep someone barely alive for a week or two. So many people are kept alive in arguably incredibly painful and shitty situations because of the inability to deal with the fact that sometimes people die
- UncleMeat 1y ago
  DNRs can be absolutely great things when people make the choice willingly. My grandmother chose to die rather than have invasive procedures performed that gave her a small chance of living in large part based on her experience seeing her sister live miserably after her stroke. But marking somebody as having a DNR when they do not want one is evil.
  - tekla 1y ago
    It is HARD to figure out if someone actually knows what a DNR entails if they do not know what it actually requires. Everyone can easily make a choice willingly to not file a DNR if they do not know what that requires. So now your grandmother is getting is a intubation tube shoved down their throat, chest compressions, and whatever and is not a state to figure out "wow this fucking sucks" anymore, also someone just collapsed your rib-cage giving you chest compressions. Keep you alive at all costs is easy to agree to if you have no fucking clue what "all costs" mans
    - hedora 1y ago
      So, assuming I own some stock in your insurance company, it'd be ethical for me to register a DNR for you without your knowledge, then pay anyone that's supposed to transfer you to a hospital to not do it? That's exactly the behavior you're defending.
      - jxjnskkzxxhx 1y ago
        I suspect that in our society the answer is: if that's done on an individual basis, it's criminal, if it's done as a matter of policy and you can argue it's beneficial for shareholders, then it's encouraged.
    - Teever 1y ago
      This is all true but this is all misdirection from the topic at hand which is that a man organization with a profit motive may have coerced health practitioners into forcing DNRs into people.

fzeroracer 1y ago

I'm old enough to remember when Sarah Palin was yelling about insurance death panels and how bad universal healthcare was. Somehow it always ends up as projection, and none of those same people will care about literal death panels.

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tekla 1y ago

Oh please, DNR is a complicated territory. Sometimes people are unable to vouch for themselves, or demand very invasive procedures. It's easy to claim that others deserve to have their demands met about procedures in the face of rational argument. My parents have a DNR because they are both doctors and have spent too much time forcibly keeping people alive-ish because they were ordered to keep people on the edge of death alive, consuming incredible amounts of money, manpower, probable pain, and medication to keep someone barely alive for a week or two. So many people are kept alive in arguably incredibly painful and shitty situations because of the inability to deal with the fact that sometimes people die

UncleMeat 1y ago
DNRs can be absolutely great things when people make the choice willingly. My grandmother chose to die rather than have invasive procedures performed that gave her a small chance of living in large part based on her experience seeing her sister live miserably after her stroke. But marking somebody as having a DNR when they do not want one is evil.
- tekla 1y ago
  It is HARD to figure out if someone actually knows what a DNR entails if they do not know what it actually requires. Everyone can easily make a choice willingly to not file a DNR if they do not know what that requires. So now your grandmother is getting is a intubation tube shoved down their throat, chest compressions, and whatever and is not a state to figure out "wow this fucking sucks" anymore, also someone just collapsed your rib-cage giving you chest compressions. Keep you alive at all costs is easy to agree to if you have no fucking clue what "all costs" mans
  - hedora 1y ago
    So, assuming I own some stock in your insurance company, it'd be ethical for me to register a DNR for you without your knowledge, then pay anyone that's supposed to transfer you to a hospital to not do it? That's exactly the behavior you're defending.
    - jxjnskkzxxhx 1y ago
      I suspect that in our society the answer is: if that's done on an individual basis, it's criminal, if it's done as a matter of policy and you can argue it's beneficial for shareholders, then it's encouraged.
  - Teever 1y ago
    This is all true but this is all misdirection from the topic at hand which is that a man organization with a profit motive may have coerced health practitioners into forcing DNRs into people.