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> But right now Steam has Linux at <3%[1]. I think the overwhelming majority of this is Steam Deck usage. While that's certainly a feather in the cap for Linux

> But right now Steam has Linux at <3%[1]. I think the overwhelming majority of this is Steam Deck usage. While that's certainly a feather in the cap for Linux, I don't think really counts toward Linux momentum as we're using the term here. Nobody is going to start investing in polished desktop Linux software because there are a lot of Steam Deck buyers.

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pona-a 1y ago
KDE has seen plenty of activity related to the Steam Desk, I heard. Valve regularly contribute to Wine, which is used for desktop Windows software. If the entire stack is consistent between the two, how wouldn't it translate to better desktop software? It's the same as how server investment in the kernel benefits the desktop users, only with a much greater intersection.
godelski 1y ago
> I think the overwhelming majority of this is Steam Deck usage Please click the link and on the OS tab for a breakdown, as your conjecture is falsifiable[0] MOST POPULAR PERCENTAGE CHANGE ------------------------------------------------------ Linux 2.27% -0.06% ------------------------------------------------------ "Arch Linux" 64 bit 0.21% -0.02% Linux Mint 22.1 64 bit 0.14% +0.02% Ubuntu Core 22 64 bit 0.10% 0.00% Ubuntu 24.04.2 LTS 64 bit 0.10% 0.00% "Manjaro Linux" 64 bit 0.06% 0.00% "EndeavourOS Linux" 64 bit 0.06% 0.00% Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) 64 bit 0.05% 0.00% We do know that SteamOS is Arch based. So yeah, it is the dominant player there. I'm not entirely surprised, but I don't think anyone was. But important to note, there's only a 0.05 difference between Arch and Mint. It's important to note because 1) Arch is incredibly popular and we can't guarantee all users in the Arch category are SteamOS users 2) Mint is currently the most popular distro[1] > Nobody is going to start investing in polished desktop Linux software because there are a lot of Steam Deck buyers. Maybe not, but also polishing of the Linux desktop has happened regardless of this. In fact, it is what drove SteamOS. Please refer to the items on [1] as literally the top 8 distros were developed for this explicit purpose (making Linux more user friendly). [0] We can determine it to be true or false. [1] https://distrowatch.com/ https://distrowatch.com/
- doubtit 1y ago
  The way to make Linux takeover is get kids using it To get kids using it needs to do lots of cool shit easily Windows could play games easily when Linux could not even use a USB mouse The time is right to make Linux do cool shit easily with local generative models that help iteratively create games Replace all the desktop legacy with some blank canvas and local models that draw on the canvas. Ship some baked in models to generate shells of games to iterate from, boom. This is exactly the fear of big SaaS and why VCs outside a key handful are done with it. Apple Silicon is a glimpse of local compute future. Fanless laptops running models that generate entire coherent universes like Marvel and Star Wars. (Don’t need giant models just dense enough to get 80% and let users “zoom and enhance” with their own input) Show that potential with local models on Linux and it’s over. Three options then; government demands hardware is locked down to preserve Hollywood/gaming/media, open compute wins, or both sides destroy the world over it. In an interview with IGN during Covid lockdown Gabe Newell was describing generative AI as an existential threat to content creators. It could be temporary as the next gen grows up with a new normal and doesn’t obsess about a career in digital design or web dev, yt video production. It could end humanity as existential dread settles in for millions stuck in some narrative about their existence that no longer holds economic value. Interesting times.
  - godelski 1y ago
    > The way to make Linux takeover is get kids using it Agree! > Windows could play games easily when Linux could not even use a USB mouse I don't think I've ever had a USB mouse (or wireless mouse or keyboard) issue in the last 15 years. Games? I'll give you that. But honestly, Steam has really made that almost a non-issue. Good guy steam! (their work has affected more than SteamOS) > Replace all the desktop legacy with some blank canvas and local models This seems like the opposite of what you initially argued. Models as in... LLMs or ML models? This seems like a great way to break things. I'd really encourage you to get these things to try to do what you're saying they should do. > Apple Silicon is Where are you going with this? > Show that potential with local models on Linux and it’s over. I'm an ML researcher... these models are generally made and deployed on linux systems. Explicitly because they work better there and is easier to deal with. > In an interview with IGN during Covid lockdown Serious question: you okay? Did a LLM contribute to your comment? Did a LLM make the whole comment? GPT, can you describe to me Act 4 Scene 5 from Henry V but as told by a Pirate from the deep south? (American south)

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pona-a 1y ago

KDE has seen plenty of activity related to the Steam Desk, I heard. Valve regularly contribute to Wine, which is used for desktop Windows software. If the entire stack is consistent between the two, how wouldn't it translate to better desktop software? It's the same as how server investment in the kernel benefits the desktop users, only with a much greater intersection.

godelski 1y ago

> I think the overwhelming majority of this is Steam Deck usage Please click the link and on the OS tab for a breakdown, as your conjecture is falsifiable[0] MOST POPULAR PERCENTAGE CHANGE ------------------------------------------------------ Linux 2.27% -0.06% ------------------------------------------------------ "Arch Linux" 64 bit 0.21% -0.02% Linux Mint 22.1 64 bit 0.14% +0.02% Ubuntu Core 22 64 bit 0.10% 0.00% Ubuntu 24.04.2 LTS 64 bit 0.10% 0.00% "Manjaro Linux" 64 bit 0.06% 0.00% "EndeavourOS Linux" 64 bit 0.06% 0.00% Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) 64 bit 0.05% 0.00% We do know that SteamOS is Arch based. So yeah, it is the dominant player there. I'm not entirely surprised, but I don't think anyone was. But important to note, there's only a 0.05 difference between Arch and Mint. It's important to note because 1) Arch is incredibly popular and we can't guarantee all users in the Arch category are SteamOS users 2) Mint is currently the most popular distro[1] > Nobody is going to start investing in polished desktop Linux software because there are a lot of Steam Deck buyers. Maybe not, but also polishing of the Linux desktop has happened regardless of this. In fact, it is what drove SteamOS. Please refer to the items on [1] as literally the top 8 distros were developed for this explicit purpose (making Linux more user friendly). [0] We can determine it to be true or false. [1] https://distrowatch.com/ https://distrowatch.com/

doubtit 1y ago
The way to make Linux takeover is get kids using it To get kids using it needs to do lots of cool shit easily Windows could play games easily when Linux could not even use a USB mouse The time is right to make Linux do cool shit easily with local generative models that help iteratively create games Replace all the desktop legacy with some blank canvas and local models that draw on the canvas. Ship some baked in models to generate shells of games to iterate from, boom. This is exactly the fear of big SaaS and why VCs outside a key handful are done with it. Apple Silicon is a glimpse of local compute future. Fanless laptops running models that generate entire coherent universes like Marvel and Star Wars. (Don’t need giant models just dense enough to get 80% and let users “zoom and enhance” with their own input) Show that potential with local models on Linux and it’s over. Three options then; government demands hardware is locked down to preserve Hollywood/gaming/media, open compute wins, or both sides destroy the world over it. In an interview with IGN during Covid lockdown Gabe Newell was describing generative AI as an existential threat to content creators. It could be temporary as the next gen grows up with a new normal and doesn’t obsess about a career in digital design or web dev, yt video production. It could end humanity as existential dread settles in for millions stuck in some narrative about their existence that no longer holds economic value. Interesting times.
- godelski 1y ago
  > The way to make Linux takeover is get kids using it Agree! > Windows could play games easily when Linux could not even use a USB mouse I don't think I've ever had a USB mouse (or wireless mouse or keyboard) issue in the last 15 years. Games? I'll give you that. But honestly, Steam has really made that almost a non-issue. Good guy steam! (their work has affected more than SteamOS) > Replace all the desktop legacy with some blank canvas and local models This seems like the opposite of what you initially argued. Models as in... LLMs or ML models? This seems like a great way to break things. I'd really encourage you to get these things to try to do what you're saying they should do. > Apple Silicon is Where are you going with this? > Show that potential with local models on Linux and it’s over. I'm an ML researcher... these models are generally made and deployed on linux systems. Explicitly because they work better there and is easier to deal with. > In an interview with IGN during Covid lockdown Serious question: you okay? Did a LLM contribute to your comment? Did a LLM make the whole comment? GPT, can you describe to me Act 4 Scene 5 from Henry V but as told by a Pirate from the deep south? (American south)