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Sometimes two collaborators make each other better than either are alone. I get the sense that's how Steve Jobs and Jony Ive were. I've not seen anything Ive ha
by karaterobot 1y ago
Sometimes two collaborators make each other better than either are alone. I get the sense that's how Steve Jobs and Jony Ive were. I've not seen anything Ive has done since be as good as what he did before. Someone has to hold the spike so the other one can swing the hammer. My guess is that's not how this relationship with Altman will work. And that picture is terrifying, please take it down and destroy the camera that took it.
- kranke155 1y agoEverything about this announcement screams “we’re completely out of touch” I am terrified of this company making any products
- rchaud 1y agoLet 'em make overpriced tchotchkes with private capital all they want. I'm more worried about them winning inflated government contracts and tax credits paid for with public dollars.
- easton 1y agoWhat is it about that picture that's so icky? I had the exact same reaction.
- rchaud 1y agoIt's a Hall and Oates album cover featuring two idea guys hellbent on putting artists out of work.
- mikepurvis 1y agoIt's a weirdly intimate pose, and it looks like it was taken from way too close— almost at arms-length, like a selfie, rather than from 8-10 feet back with a normal 80mm portrait lens. Altman especially looks kind of fish-bowled, being the one in front.
- piskov 1y agoRussians have the famous meme for that [1] (just see the photo) Literal translation is “my snot-nosed kid / my little shit” https://neolurk.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B4%D1%8E%D0%BA https://neolurk.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%...
- roughly 1y agoJobs, for all his enormous character flaws, was a humanist - he believed in people and he wanted to make beautiful objects that would enhance people's lives. He was also an enormous asshole and constitutionally incapable of masking his disdain for solutions he didn't feel measured up. Ive can make a visually beautiful object, but he's shown he doesn't have the feel for the actual user, and Jobs' humanism is the half of that partnership that made it work. Altman's got none of that (well, except the asshole part) - no vision, no taste, no concept of what a user would want, no real belief in humanity or desire to make things for humans. Ive and Altman together is going to be a disaster.
- isx726552 1y agoThis is a fantastic comment and I couldn’t agree more. I don’t what they’re going to come up with as a result of this partnership but I expect that it will be utterly lacking in the qualities you describe. You really put your finger on it.
- bambax 1y ago> Someone has to hold the spike so the other one can swing the hammer. Interesting choice of metaphor.
- strangattractor 1y agoThe headline then is "Sam Altman pays Johnny Ive $6.6Bn to become his Collaborator". Not a bad idea really IMHO.
- jonnat 1y agoHe most definitely did not pay $6.6B. The beauty of these OpenAI acquisitions is that they are all-stock transactions so only worth the face value in the make-believe world OpenAI investors seem to live in.
- fragmede 1y agoJust a guess, but I'd bet that Johnny Ive isn't exactly hurting for money. Still, the funny thing about paper money is if you have enough of it, and you're well connected (which, again, just guessing, but Johnny Ive might be) you can just borrow against it without having to make a sale or have liquid buyers. Just hope there's no margin call.
- strangattractor 1y agoPlaces like EquityZen provide a market place for private stocks.
- strangattractor 1y agoYour right it's all funny money until they are publicly traded but if they are successful it is still a ton of money. Johnny needs to feed a GulfStream - that isn't cheap;)
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- JKCalhoun 1y ago> Sometimes two collaborators make each other better than either are alone. I don't disagree. Lennon + McCartney were able to fill in bridges, suggest lyrics, etc. I've always been bothered by Ive's form-over-function though. Or perhaps it is too easy to call out a designer's very public mistakes when on the whole he has done well. For all I know it was Jobs that pushed the design choices that I dislike. But just to iterate a couple things I dislike: the round mouse on the iMac (obv.), connectors on the back of the modern iMacs (that uncomfortable scratching sound when you're trying to find the USB slot and grate against anodized aluminum).... You wonder, did he actually use the thing or just admire looking at it?
- apt-apt-apt-apt 1y agoIt looks like a much different type of collaboration is going on.. (someone had to say it x)
- franze 1y agothe photo is a play on a historical image https://imgur.com/a/VnTMINR https://imgur.com/a/VnTMINR
- polynomial 1y agoIs that really supposed to be Zuck with an older version of himself??