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I should've said the worship of the temporal (material reality, etc.) rather than the spiritual.

by SSJPython 1y ago

CamperBob2 1y ago
What has the spiritual ever done for us? We know nothing of gods that we didn't learn from other men.
- quotz 1y ago
  But men do not respect other men nearly as much as they respect the gods and the supernatural
  - CamperBob2 1y ago
    Exactly, so what you're saying is that extolling spirituality is just a way to garner unearned respect.
- lo_zamoyski 1y ago
  You're committing the same fallacy that many do which is to lump them all under "gods" and then make it a problem of distinguishing which of these possible beings exists. But this fails to distinguish between a being and Being. You and I are beings, beings among many. The pagan gods, personifications of various natural phenomena, were like us, in this sense: they were beings among, only more powerful. Being, on the other hand, is the verb to be. You exist, I exist, all the beings of the world exist. The pagan gods, I submit, do not exist, save as fictions. So how do you relate to your existence? We all exist, so it isn't particular to you. And you are not the cause of your own existence, here and now. Rather existence is something prior to any particular existing things in the order of causes. This cause, this existence, this Being itself, is God, and you can know quite a bit about it, analogously, through unaided reason and without appealing to authority. > What has the spiritual ever done for us? That question is premature for you.
  - IncreasePosts 1y ago
    Well, can you spill some of the things you know about it using unaided reason?
  - layer8 1y ago
    Causation is a higher-level emergent phenomenon. At the fundamental level of physics, causation does not exist, not the least due to the time symmetry of the physical laws of nature. The future correlates to the past just as the past correlates to the future. Also, facts are true without any cause. There is no cause of why 2 + 2 is 4. It just is what it is. (One might call it “being”.)
williamdclt 1y ago
It’s not any less vague. Again, what definition of “worship” do you use? It’s certainly not any of the dictionaries

I should've said the worship of the temporal (material reality, etc.) rather than the spiritual.

CamperBob2 1y ago

What has the spiritual ever done for us? We know nothing of gods that we didn't learn from other men.

quotz 1y ago
But men do not respect other men nearly as much as they respect the gods and the supernatural
- CamperBob2 1y ago
  Exactly, so what you're saying is that extolling spirituality is just a way to garner unearned respect.
lo_zamoyski 1y ago
You're committing the same fallacy that many do which is to lump them all under "gods" and then make it a problem of distinguishing which of these possible beings exists. But this fails to distinguish between a being and Being. You and I are beings, beings among many. The pagan gods, personifications of various natural phenomena, were like us, in this sense: they were beings among, only more powerful. Being, on the other hand, is the verb to be. You exist, I exist, all the beings of the world exist. The pagan gods, I submit, do not exist, save as fictions. So how do you relate to your existence? We all exist, so it isn't particular to you. And you are not the cause of your own existence, here and now. Rather existence is something prior to any particular existing things in the order of causes. This cause, this existence, this Being itself, is God, and you can know quite a bit about it, analogously, through unaided reason and without appealing to authority. > What has the spiritual ever done for us? That question is premature for you.
- IncreasePosts 1y ago
  Well, can you spill some of the things you know about it using unaided reason?
- layer8 1y ago
  Causation is a higher-level emergent phenomenon. At the fundamental level of physics, causation does not exist, not the least due to the time symmetry of the physical laws of nature. The future correlates to the past just as the past correlates to the future. Also, facts are true without any cause. There is no cause of why 2 + 2 is 4. It just is what it is. (One might call it “being”.)

williamdclt 1y ago

It’s not any less vague. Again, what definition of “worship” do you use? It’s certainly not any of the dictionaries