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I have interacted with Chinese people in IT for a few months, and they worked 5 days per week. I don't know how many hours they made per day. Another interesti

I have interacted with Chinese people in IT for a few months, and they worked 5 days per week. I don't know how many hours they made per day. Another interesting stat is that they live longer on average than US people. And until recently, men retired at 60 and women at 55 yo. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpd9v48yn8ro https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpd9v48yn8ro

quacksilver 1y ago
From working in China a bit (though could be wrong, n=1 anecdotes etc.), the majority of IT people are probably the lucky ones who mostly had a middle class upbringing, could live in a reasonable city and studied hard at school or had well connected parents. Life growing up with parents who were a rural rice farmer or metal scrapper or something would be way different. It is very hard to get a job after a certain age compared to the west, and there is pressure in some areas for women to quit once they have children. It was common to see people working from 7 or 8 am to 8 or 10pm in my office, though with a 2 hour lunch break where most people slept. On average, people tended to look way healthier (at least superficially) on average compared to places I have been in the US. Maybe due to diet and activity level.
ppseafield 1y ago
Look up 996. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-58381538 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-58381538 https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/11/15/1039650/china-tech-workers-996-fight-back/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/11/15/1039650/china-te...
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trod1234 1y ago
It is well known and established that stats favor rhetoric, and by extension lack credibility as fact. If you can't guarantee the expected methodology conformed in collection, bad data in causes bad data out, its worse than no data at all.
- a123b456c 1y ago
  Occasionally, I wish I commented often enough to get downvote privileges.
  - trod1234 1y ago
    Occasionally, I do to. Are you trying to say that China doesn't fabricate and lie about their metrics and collection methodology? because I hate to be the one to break this to you, it does and there's a lot of news coverage on it going back over a decade. https://www.scmp.com/economy/economic-indicators/article/3243527/chinas-economic-data-again-under-microscope-local-authorities-warned-over-falsifying-statistics https://www.scmp.com/economy/economic-indicators/article/324... https://sites.lsa.umich.edu/mje/2023/05/01/why-the-world-is-not-trusting-chinas-nbs-a-political-storyline/ https://sites.lsa.umich.edu/mje/2023/05/01/why-the-world-is-... https://dialogo-americas.com/articles/china-withholds-manipulates-falsifies-official-data/ https://dialogo-americas.com/articles/china-withholds-manipu... http://www.uschina.org/articles/chinas-official-statistics/ http://www.uschina.org/articles/chinas-official-statistics/
    - JPLeRouzic 1y ago
      From one of the sources you provide: "reported by the state-run People’s Daily newspaper" This sounds like a case of honesty, not the other way around.
      - trod1234 1y ago
        They only started blaming the locals once there was concrete proof internationally where they were caught in the lie, and there is plenty of material all of which support this; not just the ones I linked. Shame is one of the worst things for Chinese culturally. The fact is, this is not in doubt, and it wasn't a one time thing but rather a consistent effort. Do a simple google search, look at the dates of the articles, they go back decades. Its well established at this point that this is what one must expect with them.
ashoeafoot 1y ago
That is a side effect of chinese kitchens shunning refrigeration and thus processed food. Even with the polution that makes for a healthier lifestyle .Although the younger generations catch up diabetes wise .

quacksilver 1y ago

From working in China a bit (though could be wrong, n=1 anecdotes etc.), the majority of IT people are probably the lucky ones who mostly had a middle class upbringing, could live in a reasonable city and studied hard at school or had well connected parents. Life growing up with parents who were a rural rice farmer or metal scrapper or something would be way different. It is very hard to get a job after a certain age compared to the west, and there is pressure in some areas for women to quit once they have children. It was common to see people working from 7 or 8 am to 8 or 10pm in my office, though with a 2 hour lunch break where most people slept. On average, people tended to look way healthier (at least superficially) on average compared to places I have been in the US. Maybe due to diet and activity level.

ppseafield 1y ago

Look up 996. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-58381538 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-58381538 https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/11/15/1039650/china-tech-workers-996-fight-back/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/11/15/1039650/china-te...

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trod1234 1y ago

It is well known and established that stats favor rhetoric, and by extension lack credibility as fact. If you can't guarantee the expected methodology conformed in collection, bad data in causes bad data out, its worse than no data at all.

a123b456c 1y ago
Occasionally, I wish I commented often enough to get downvote privileges.
- trod1234 1y ago
  Occasionally, I do to. Are you trying to say that China doesn't fabricate and lie about their metrics and collection methodology? because I hate to be the one to break this to you, it does and there's a lot of news coverage on it going back over a decade. https://www.scmp.com/economy/economic-indicators/article/3243527/chinas-economic-data-again-under-microscope-local-authorities-warned-over-falsifying-statistics https://www.scmp.com/economy/economic-indicators/article/324... https://sites.lsa.umich.edu/mje/2023/05/01/why-the-world-is-not-trusting-chinas-nbs-a-political-storyline/ https://sites.lsa.umich.edu/mje/2023/05/01/why-the-world-is-... https://dialogo-americas.com/articles/china-withholds-manipulates-falsifies-official-data/ https://dialogo-americas.com/articles/china-withholds-manipu... http://www.uschina.org/articles/chinas-official-statistics/ http://www.uschina.org/articles/chinas-official-statistics/
  - JPLeRouzic 1y ago
    From one of the sources you provide: "reported by the state-run People’s Daily newspaper" This sounds like a case of honesty, not the other way around.
    - trod1234 1y ago
      They only started blaming the locals once there was concrete proof internationally where they were caught in the lie, and there is plenty of material all of which support this; not just the ones I linked. Shame is one of the worst things for Chinese culturally. The fact is, this is not in doubt, and it wasn't a one time thing but rather a consistent effort. Do a simple google search, look at the dates of the articles, they go back decades. Its well established at this point that this is what one must expect with them.

ashoeafoot 1y ago

That is a side effect of chinese kitchens shunning refrigeration and thus processed food. Even with the polution that makes for a healthier lifestyle .Although the younger generations catch up diabetes wise .