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What does Rust have that other languages with these properties don't?

by cess11 1y ago

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mikepurvis 1y ago
On the game engine side, probably not a lot until there's more ecosystem built up, but across the board you could look at the niches filled by the Java/Groovy and C/Lua pairings to get a pretty good sense of what's possible— it would be the tools stuff that would most excite me: build/CI/automation frameworks, that kind of thing. Alternatively, look at a project like ruff— hundreds of linter rules statically implemented in native Rust [1], maybe that would make more sense if the rules could be more tersely expressed as runtime-loadable roto scripts that have access to the Python AST and a toolkit of Rust-supplied functions for manipulating and inspecting it? [1]: https://github.com/astral-sh/ruff/tree/main/crates/ruff_linter/src/rules https://github.com/astral-sh/ruff/tree/main/crates/ruff_lint...
- cess11 1y ago
  So no clear examples?
  - mikepurvis 1y ago
    In the Java/Groovy space, Jenkins and Gradle are the obvious ones. I'm less familiar with the Lua world (not a gamedev), but this is an example of the kind of thing I'm imagining— a build system / task runner that's half lua and half C/C++: https://github.com/xmake-io https://github.com/xmake-io Having a modern on-prem replacement for Jenkins/Rundeck built in rust and exposing a roto interface rather than yaml definitions sounds like it would be great.
    - cess11 1y ago
      So, how is Rust better than these? What does it have that these lack?
      - airstrike 1y ago
        Package management, expressiveness, community, open source code availability... a helpful compiler and goated type system.... overall sanity
echelon 1y ago
- The best package manager in the world, bar none. Compiling, linking, and platform difficulties disappear. The devops/devexp is next-level sublime. - "low defect" software without much work. I'm not talking about memory management, but rather Option<T> and Result<T,E>. For the same amount of effort as writing Golang or Java or C#, you can get defect free code. - Easy deployable to WASM without packaging a memory management runtime for the most intrusive types. Super portable, super fast. - If you've used Unreal a lot, you've hit build issues, linker issues, segfault issues. A lot. That'll go away.
- CooCooCaCha 1y ago
  It’s also a pleasant language to work in. I love that everything is an expression, I love match statements, I love that structs and enums are full powered, etc.
  - mdaniel 1y ago
    > It’s also a pleasant language to work in I know, practically self-documenting code! https://github.com/tokio-rs/tokio/blob/tokio-1.45.0/examples/tinyhttp.rs#L131 https://github.com/tokio-rs/tokio/blob/tokio-1.45.0/examples... I'm not trying to pick on tokio, it was just a public link demonstrating that the syntax can get to be a bit much
    - CooCooCaCha 1y ago
      Of all the examples of crazy Rust code you could have picked, you chose that one? Is adding ‘a really too much for you?
- xlii 1y ago
  > The best package manager in the world, bar none. Compiling, linking, and platform difficulties disappear. The devops/devexp is next-level sublime. I don’t know how are universes split but I’m in the wrong one for sure! 300Gb compile caches, 5 minute compilation, nix flakes with layer and careful adjustments for different arch and deployments, cargo slowing builds by 5 minutes every time because it insist on downloading full repo every time (and occasionally failing). API libraries maintained by some completely anonymous guy or lad from eastern country. On top of it the bugs don’t get away. If your problem IS memory safety, then sure - chomp away. But I’ve seen u64 truncated to u32 because someone decided to thread it through JSON serialization and macro soup. Every bear looks like a puppy when it’s a cub.

What does Rust have that other languages with these properties don't?

by cess11 1y ago

What does Rust have that other languages with these properties don't?

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mikepurvis 1y ago

On the game engine side, probably not a lot until there's more ecosystem built up, but across the board you could look at the niches filled by the Java/Groovy and C/Lua pairings to get a pretty good sense of what's possible— it would be the tools stuff that would most excite me: build/CI/automation frameworks, that kind of thing. Alternatively, look at a project like ruff— hundreds of linter rules statically implemented in native Rust [1], maybe that would make more sense if the rules could be more tersely expressed as runtime-loadable roto scripts that have access to the Python AST and a toolkit of Rust-supplied functions for manipulating and inspecting it? [1]: https://github.com/astral-sh/ruff/tree/main/crates/ruff_linter/src/rules https://github.com/astral-sh/ruff/tree/main/crates/ruff_lint...

cess11 1y ago
So no clear examples?
- mikepurvis 1y ago
  In the Java/Groovy space, Jenkins and Gradle are the obvious ones. I'm less familiar with the Lua world (not a gamedev), but this is an example of the kind of thing I'm imagining— a build system / task runner that's half lua and half C/C++: https://github.com/xmake-io https://github.com/xmake-io Having a modern on-prem replacement for Jenkins/Rundeck built in rust and exposing a roto interface rather than yaml definitions sounds like it would be great.
  - cess11 1y ago
    So, how is Rust better than these? What does it have that these lack?
    - airstrike 1y ago
      Package management, expressiveness, community, open source code availability... a helpful compiler and goated type system.... overall sanity

echelon 1y ago

- The best package manager in the world, bar none. Compiling, linking, and platform difficulties disappear. The devops/devexp is next-level sublime. - "low defect" software without much work. I'm not talking about memory management, but rather Option<T> and Result<T,E>. For the same amount of effort as writing Golang or Java or C#, you can get defect free code. - Easy deployable to WASM without packaging a memory management runtime for the most intrusive types. Super portable, super fast. - If you've used Unreal a lot, you've hit build issues, linker issues, segfault issues. A lot. That'll go away.

CooCooCaCha 1y ago
It’s also a pleasant language to work in. I love that everything is an expression, I love match statements, I love that structs and enums are full powered, etc.
- mdaniel 1y ago
  > It’s also a pleasant language to work in I know, practically self-documenting code! https://github.com/tokio-rs/tokio/blob/tokio-1.45.0/examples/tinyhttp.rs#L131 https://github.com/tokio-rs/tokio/blob/tokio-1.45.0/examples... I'm not trying to pick on tokio, it was just a public link demonstrating that the syntax can get to be a bit much
  - CooCooCaCha 1y ago
    Of all the examples of crazy Rust code you could have picked, you chose that one? Is adding ‘a really too much for you?
xlii 1y ago
> The best package manager in the world, bar none. Compiling, linking, and platform difficulties disappear. The devops/devexp is next-level sublime. I don’t know how are universes split but I’m in the wrong one for sure! 300Gb compile caches, 5 minute compilation, nix flakes with layer and careful adjustments for different arch and deployments, cargo slowing builds by 5 minutes every time because it insist on downloading full repo every time (and occasionally failing). API libraries maintained by some completely anonymous guy or lad from eastern country. On top of it the bugs don’t get away. If your problem IS memory safety, then sure - chomp away. But I’ve seen u64 truncated to u32 because someone decided to thread it through JSON serialization and macro soup. Every bear looks like a puppy when it’s a cub.