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Not really that odd. It's easy to live without IPv6 until someone creates the IPv6-only killer app, and that makes it... not worth the hassle for most folks.

Not really that odd. It's easy to live without IPv6 until someone creates the IPv6-only killer app, and that makes it... not worth the hassle for most folks. I'm in a moderate-to-high technology area in the grand scheme. They laid fiber here roughly two years ago, and lit it about a year ago, whereupon I immediately subscribed. They don't offer IPv6. At all. That should tell you just how unimportant IPv6 is perceived as outside of its core cadre of proponents. Note that this is not a commentary on how important it actually is; just on perception. In short, nobody cares.

patchtopic 1y ago
The 85% of French and 75% of India adopting it don't care, they just use it :-) https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-country-ipv6-adoption https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-...
- dns_snek 1y ago
  More interestingly, it looks like a year from now IPv6 is going to make up the majority of Google's global traffic. Cloudflare reports slightly lower 40% IPv6 adoption globally https://radar.cloudflare.com/adoption-and-usage https://radar.cloudflare.com/adoption-and-usage
  - WorldMaker 1y ago
    Most consumer networks are IPv6 by default. Most cellular networks are IPv6-only/IPv6-native today with big DNS64/NAT64 gateways to the IPv4 web. Most consumers don't know or care, they just use IPv6, daily. A lot of the holdouts on IPv4-only traffic are corporate traffic. A lot of corporate traffic acts like it wants a separate internet anyway, and a lot of companies hoarded IPv4 spaces for long enough that they don't see the increasing costs of IPv4 addresses hit their bottom lines yet enough to care. It's a fascinating dynamic. Maybe corporations will just buy the remaining IPv4 internet entirely and keep it as their own separate but not equal network.
pastage 1y ago
It does not work like that, what you get is big deployments using ipv6 and some strange ipv4 setup so there are more and more clients using ipv6. On the server side you will start to see more and more clients using ipv6. About 40% of our customers use ipv6. They can still access ipv4 though it is just that their network provider prefers having them on ipv6. Ip version is not a selling point, unless you are on the server.
- WorldMaker 1y ago
  Not just a network provider preference. It is an OS-level preference in most consumer hardware today. (The "Happy Eyeballs" protocol, among other things. OSes will send IPv6 first, then after a delay send IPv4 and after that favor whichever one is "quickest"/"healthiest".) It's also a natural preference over things like STUN/"UPnP" to avoid NATs, especially CGNATs.
mrweasel 1y ago
> It's easy to live without IPv6 until someone creates the IPv6-only killer app This was a few years ago, but the majority of Danish ISP wasn't offering IPv6, because "there's is no demand from customers". Well, the customers also aren't demanding IPv4, they are demanding internet access. How you deliver it is not interesting to anyone but a small niche segment of the market. If you could somehow make it work over IPX, then 95% of customers would be fine with that, it's not something they care about.

patchtopic 1y ago

The 85% of French and 75% of India adopting it don't care, they just use it :-) https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-country-ipv6-adoption https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-...

dns_snek 1y ago
More interestingly, it looks like a year from now IPv6 is going to make up the majority of Google's global traffic. Cloudflare reports slightly lower 40% IPv6 adoption globally https://radar.cloudflare.com/adoption-and-usage https://radar.cloudflare.com/adoption-and-usage
- WorldMaker 1y ago
  Most consumer networks are IPv6 by default. Most cellular networks are IPv6-only/IPv6-native today with big DNS64/NAT64 gateways to the IPv4 web. Most consumers don't know or care, they just use IPv6, daily. A lot of the holdouts on IPv4-only traffic are corporate traffic. A lot of corporate traffic acts like it wants a separate internet anyway, and a lot of companies hoarded IPv4 spaces for long enough that they don't see the increasing costs of IPv4 addresses hit their bottom lines yet enough to care. It's a fascinating dynamic. Maybe corporations will just buy the remaining IPv4 internet entirely and keep it as their own separate but not equal network.

pastage 1y ago

It does not work like that, what you get is big deployments using ipv6 and some strange ipv4 setup so there are more and more clients using ipv6. On the server side you will start to see more and more clients using ipv6. About 40% of our customers use ipv6. They can still access ipv4 though it is just that their network provider prefers having them on ipv6. Ip version is not a selling point, unless you are on the server.

WorldMaker 1y ago
Not just a network provider preference. It is an OS-level preference in most consumer hardware today. (The "Happy Eyeballs" protocol, among other things. OSes will send IPv6 first, then after a delay send IPv4 and after that favor whichever one is "quickest"/"healthiest".) It's also a natural preference over things like STUN/"UPnP" to avoid NATs, especially CGNATs.

mrweasel 1y ago

> It's easy to live without IPv6 until someone creates the IPv6-only killer app This was a few years ago, but the majority of Danish ISP wasn't offering IPv6, because "there's is no demand from customers". Well, the customers also aren't demanding IPv4, they are demanding internet access. How you deliver it is not interesting to anyone but a small niche segment of the market. If you could somehow make it work over IPX, then 95% of customers would be fine with that, it's not something they care about.