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Sounds like its written by an AI non believer. I've been able to write things in a week that would literally take me six moths previously. The critics don't k

Sounds like its written by an AI non believer. I've been able to write things in a week that would literally take me six moths previously. The critics don't know the facts about how much time you can really save because their anti AI so they don't use it so they don't know, but they're happy to tell you some "facts" about how your new found AI assisted productivity is less than you really think it is.

apwell23 1y ago
> I've been able to write things in a week that would literally take me six moths previously. you wrote a tic-tac-toe game for android? so what ? what does that prove? have you seen rails blog demo from 15 yrs ago ?
neogodless 1y ago
When you write things in a week rather than six months, what was the context? Small teams, more frequent releases, solving problems incrementally, working across the solution rather than having to bridge silos, feeling empowered and safe to try things? If you already had those things, and took them for granted, then it may be hard for you to estimate the impact they might have had if they weren't present. Would you still have been able to use AI to build something so much more quickly if your hands were tied by organizational policy?
- wewewedxfgdf 1y ago
  Sounds like you're trying to find out why I'm wrong about my productivity boost from AI.
  - neogodless 1y ago
    I'm not claiming you're wrong about the boost you got. I'm saying you may have already had 5 boring factors that laid a good groundwork to enable you to get that boost, but you are discounting those factors. If I'm wrong, then tell me the context - were you in a situation where you didn't have those factors in place?
  - aketchum 1y ago
    im interested in the answer because I have not seen the same productivity increases with claude code and copilot. When I read comments like your original one I think that I must be using the tools incorrectly. How do you use them in your workflow? Or for anyone else reading this, are there resources you have used to learn how to get the most out of LLM coding tools?
criddell 1y ago
I think the productivity gains depend a great deal on the tools you use. Writing Python or Javascript? You're in luck! Wrangling some gnarly SQL or complex Rust? Expect a modest boost. Modifying an old Eiffel program? You're on your own. I work in WinDbg analyzing crash dumps and I'm trying to get better at it so I've been trying to get Claude and Gemini to help me get to the bottom of some memory dumps I have lying around and the experience hasn't been great. I used Claude yesterday because I wanted to modify my gvim setup to remember the window size and position and after a few tries I finally got what I want (it really wanted to use mksession but that persists way more than window size and that isn't what I wanted).
cess11 1y ago
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palmotea 1y ago
> Sounds like its written by an AI non believer. > I've been able to write things in a week that would literally take me six moths previously. I don't think you get it. For instance: would you have been able to do that if you were on a team that was not empowered, not self-organising, and you were "afraid to fail ... afraid to try – to make calls, to take initiative, to just f-ing do it"? I doubt it. I'm curious exactly what that thing was that you "[wrote] in a week, that would have literally take[n you] six moths previously." Also, what species of moth do you use to measure time?
andreiduma 1y ago
Leaving the supposed gains in programming speed aside for a moment, have you been paid 24x for that 24x productivity? Have you even been paid 1.1x for that week of work?
- palmotea 1y ago
  > Leaving the supposed gains in programming speed aside for a moment, have you been paid 24x for that 24x productivity? Have you even been paid 1.1x for that week of work? Don't be silly! The passive, hardworking owners are the ones that deserve all of that profit. Those are just the new expectations. He shouldn't be greedy, and should be happy that he just gets to keep his job.
hooverd 1y ago
Awesome! Hopefully your workload won't be adjusted up accordingly.

apwell23 1y ago

> I've been able to write things in a week that would literally take me six moths previously. you wrote a tic-tac-toe game for android? so what ? what does that prove? have you seen rails blog demo from 15 yrs ago ?

neogodless 1y ago

When you write things in a week rather than six months, what was the context? Small teams, more frequent releases, solving problems incrementally, working across the solution rather than having to bridge silos, feeling empowered and safe to try things? If you already had those things, and took them for granted, then it may be hard for you to estimate the impact they might have had if they weren't present. Would you still have been able to use AI to build something so much more quickly if your hands were tied by organizational policy?

wewewedxfgdf 1y ago
Sounds like you're trying to find out why I'm wrong about my productivity boost from AI.
- neogodless 1y ago
  I'm not claiming you're wrong about the boost you got. I'm saying you may have already had 5 boring factors that laid a good groundwork to enable you to get that boost, but you are discounting those factors. If I'm wrong, then tell me the context - were you in a situation where you didn't have those factors in place?
- aketchum 1y ago
  im interested in the answer because I have not seen the same productivity increases with claude code and copilot. When I read comments like your original one I think that I must be using the tools incorrectly. How do you use them in your workflow? Or for anyone else reading this, are there resources you have used to learn how to get the most out of LLM coding tools?

criddell 1y ago

I think the productivity gains depend a great deal on the tools you use. Writing Python or Javascript? You're in luck! Wrangling some gnarly SQL or complex Rust? Expect a modest boost. Modifying an old Eiffel program? You're on your own. I work in WinDbg analyzing crash dumps and I'm trying to get better at it so I've been trying to get Claude and Gemini to help me get to the bottom of some memory dumps I have lying around and the experience hasn't been great. I used Claude yesterday because I wanted to modify my gvim setup to remember the window size and position and after a few tries I finally got what I want (it really wanted to use mksession but that persists way more than window size and that isn't what I wanted).

cess11 1y ago

Show us.

palmotea 1y ago

> Sounds like its written by an AI non believer. > I've been able to write things in a week that would literally take me six moths previously. I don't think you get it. For instance: would you have been able to do that if you were on a team that was not empowered, not self-organising, and you were "afraid to fail ... afraid to try – to make calls, to take initiative, to just f-ing do it"? I doubt it. I'm curious exactly what that thing was that you "[wrote] in a week, that would have literally take[n you] six moths previously." Also, what species of moth do you use to measure time?

andreiduma 1y ago

Leaving the supposed gains in programming speed aside for a moment, have you been paid 24x for that 24x productivity? Have you even been paid 1.1x for that week of work?

palmotea 1y ago
> Leaving the supposed gains in programming speed aside for a moment, have you been paid 24x for that 24x productivity? Have you even been paid 1.1x for that week of work? Don't be silly! The passive, hardworking owners are the ones that deserve all of that profit. Those are just the new expectations. He shouldn't be greedy, and should be happy that he just gets to keep his job.

hooverd 1y ago

Awesome! Hopefully your workload won't be adjusted up accordingly.