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It's still _additional_ power usage that 1/ did not exist before 2/ does not replace/reduce previous/other power (some, very much more critical and essential)

It's still _additional_ power usage that 1/ did not exist before 2/ does not replace/reduce previous/other power (some, very much more critical and essential) usages. 3/ a LOT of tasks are still way more energy/time-efficiently done with regular existing methods (dedicated software, or even by hand), but are still asked/improperly routed to AI chatbots that ... statistically guess the answer.

dr_dshiv 1y ago
It is also additional value creation. It also leads to automation and efficiency, even if it isn’t a fully linear path. AI isnt a waste. We can’t let environmental consciousness get in the way of rather natural human development. Especially CO2. (I have different opinions about biodiversity because of the irreversible loss. I also believe that we have the technology to pause and reverse climate change — but don’t pursue it because of degrowth ideologies)
- t_tsonev 1y ago
  No amount of value, in the economic sense, will solve climate change.
  - SirHumphrey 1y ago
    Well, somebody must buy solar panels, batteries, (nuclear reactors) and finance the whole research process. While “economic value” =/= “solving climate change” without enough tax revenue costly transitions are impossible.
    - Juliate 1y ago
      Very capitalistic reasoning. It's revealing that for some, it's easier to imagine Earth without life than Earth without capitalism.
- Juliate 1y ago
  > It is also additional value creation. For _who_ really? Shareholders of AI tools producing companies? Shareholders of companies that pretend to replace people and verifiable working processes with poorly understood black boxes? (I can't help but notice the _same_ playbook as with crypto, NFTs, Web3, metaverse, and the same enabling-hardware provider). Value, automation, efficiency will not solve the climate change challenges, if they are not directed towards it aggressively, as well as humanity acceptance and well-being. Alas, they are directed towards a very little few bank accounts. Violence and subjugation, in many of their forms, is directed towards the others. It's not by accident.
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- Gerardo1 1y ago
  > It is also additional value creation. Give some concrete examples and stats? > It also leads to automation and efficiency, even if it isn’t a fully linear path. Ditto.

dr_dshiv 1y ago

It is also additional value creation. It also leads to automation and efficiency, even if it isn’t a fully linear path. AI isnt a waste. We can’t let environmental consciousness get in the way of rather natural human development. Especially CO2. (I have different opinions about biodiversity because of the irreversible loss. I also believe that we have the technology to pause and reverse climate change — but don’t pursue it because of degrowth ideologies)

t_tsonev 1y ago
No amount of value, in the economic sense, will solve climate change.
- SirHumphrey 1y ago
  Well, somebody must buy solar panels, batteries, (nuclear reactors) and finance the whole research process. While “economic value” =/= “solving climate change” without enough tax revenue costly transitions are impossible.
  - Juliate 1y ago
    Very capitalistic reasoning. It's revealing that for some, it's easier to imagine Earth without life than Earth without capitalism.
Juliate 1y ago
> It is also additional value creation. For _who_ really? Shareholders of AI tools producing companies? Shareholders of companies that pretend to replace people and verifiable working processes with poorly understood black boxes? (I can't help but notice the _same_ playbook as with crypto, NFTs, Web3, metaverse, and the same enabling-hardware provider). Value, automation, efficiency will not solve the climate change challenges, if they are not directed towards it aggressively, as well as humanity acceptance and well-being. Alas, they are directed towards a very little few bank accounts. Violence and subjugation, in many of their forms, is directed towards the others. It's not by accident.
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Gerardo1 1y ago
> It is also additional value creation. Give some concrete examples and stats? > It also leads to automation and efficiency, even if it isn’t a fully linear path. Ditto.