> It's exactly what's happening: what used to be leaders in ICE cars are now the laughing stocks of the EV world. This is really nonsense. VAG, BMW and Mercede

> It's exactly what's happening: what used to be leaders in ICE cars are now the laughing stocks of the EV world. This is really nonsense. VAG, BMW and Mercedes have been making good EVs for many years and are now progressing to making excellent ones. They only really lag Tesla on the software/hardware integration (and that isn't actually much of a selling point outside the HN crowd) while they lead on more traditional points like cabin quality. If you previously wanted to drive a Golf (and tens of millions of people did), then you're likely to want to drive an ID.3, ID.4 or Enyaq. If you previously wanted to drive a Passat, then you're likely to want to drive an ID.7. If you liked the BMW saloons, you'll like the i4. Mercedes are a little further behind, but they're getting there with the EQE. If I wanted to bet on the shape of the European car market in five years, I'd be betting on German, Korean and Chinese EVs dominating. I don't see much future for American brands on this side of the Atlantic.