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They're not really technical. If you say you do reproducible builds and you don't it's just… dishonesty? Like selling you no chemical fertilisers vegetables an

by guappa 1y ago

They're not really technical. If you say you do reproducible builds and you don't it's just… dishonesty? Like selling you no chemical fertilisers vegetables and then using them anyway. It's hostile because they want you to use their binary build… which you don't know if it corresponds to the source they have online. And can't verify due to the binary blob. edit: you trust the USA army to not ask any control in exchange for that money? Remember there's no reproducible builds really, and that installing via app store which is linked to an account is very easy to send vulnerable versions to journalists or whistleblowers.

godelski 1y ago
I don't know how you say "not technical" and "reproducible builds" in the same breath. Look, I'm mostly with you. My point is that the issues we argue over are only things us nerds care about. Not the average person. > you trust the USA army to not ask any control in exchange for that money? Warrants suspicion, for sure. I stated so. From what I know, the money was not through the military. It was through Radio Free Asia, an organization suspected to have ties to the CIA. Notably, the CIA is concerned with foreign targets, not at home. So like I argued, it is entirely reasonable for "the government" to want perfectly encrypted communication systems in the hands of people they want overthrowing a current regime while also not wanting that service to be used at home. The government isn't a single super intelligent entity working together. It is a fucking shit show of organizations (and sub-organizations) with entirely opposing goals. They're a non-profit... their books are open. If you are really concerned, switch to Molly. Or idk, use iMessage, WhatsApp, or Telegram. Because those have far less suspicion, right? Sure, you could use Matrix, but I can't get my grandma to use Matrix, but I can Signal. I'll take what I can get.
- guappa 1y ago
  Lol Radio Free Asia… suspected? > but I can't get my grandma to use Matrix, but I can Signal Why not? On the phone they look just like any other messaging app.
- guappa 1y ago
  > I don't know how you say "not technical" and "reproducible builds" in the same breath. I don't know how you can cherry pick the technical detail and and ignore what that means without making me suspect you're being dishonest. Just in case you are honest. It means that you cannot verify the application, so it's no more secure than any proprietary application. And signal is marketing themselves as MOST SECURE THING EVER!!!!! People should be aware that their main marketing point is false.

by guappa 1y ago

godelski 1y ago

I don't know how you say "not technical" and "reproducible builds" in the same breath. Look, I'm mostly with you. My point is that the issues we argue over are only things us nerds care about. Not the average person. > you trust the USA army to not ask any control in exchange for that money? Warrants suspicion, for sure. I stated so. From what I know, the money was not through the military. It was through Radio Free Asia, an organization suspected to have ties to the CIA. Notably, the CIA is concerned with foreign targets, not at home. So like I argued, it is entirely reasonable for "the government" to want perfectly encrypted communication systems in the hands of people they want overthrowing a current regime while also not wanting that service to be used at home. The government isn't a single super intelligent entity working together. It is a fucking shit show of organizations (and sub-organizations) with entirely opposing goals. They're a non-profit... their books are open. If you are really concerned, switch to Molly. Or idk, use iMessage, WhatsApp, or Telegram. Because those have far less suspicion, right? Sure, you could use Matrix, but I can't get my grandma to use Matrix, but I can Signal. I'll take what I can get.

guappa 1y ago
Lol Radio Free Asia… suspected? > but I can't get my grandma to use Matrix, but I can Signal Why not? On the phone they look just like any other messaging app.
guappa 1y ago
> I don't know how you say "not technical" and "reproducible builds" in the same breath. I don't know how you can cherry pick the technical detail and and ignore what that means without making me suspect you're being dishonest. Just in case you are honest. It means that you cannot verify the application, so it's no more secure than any proprietary application. And signal is marketing themselves as MOST SECURE THING EVER!!!!! People should be aware that their main marketing point is false.