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Google hit the jackpot with their acquisition of YouTube and it's now paying dividend. YouTube is the largest single source of data and traffic on the Internet,
by _ncuy 1y ago
Google hit the jackpot with their acquisition of YouTube and it's now paying dividend. YouTube is the largest single source of data and traffic on the Internet, and it's still growing fast. I think this data will prove incredibly important to robotics as well. It's a shame they sold Boston Dynamics in one of their dumbest ever moves because of bad PR.
- brunoborges 1y ago"Growing fast" is questionable these days. There is an ever growing percentage of new AI-generated videos among every set of daily uploads. How long until more than half of uploads in a day are AI-generated?
- franga2000 1y agoAnd google is in the best possible position to detect it if they want to exclude it from their datasets.
- sebstefan 1y agoThey're never going to manage to do that, just on a technical level Plus some users might want to legitimately upload things with AI-generated content in it
- Timon3 1y ago> They're never going to manage to do that, just on a technical level Why not? Given enough data, it's possible to train models to differentiate - especially since humans can pick up on the difference pretty well. > Plus some users might want to legitimately upload things with AI-generated content in it Excluding videos from training datasets doesn't mean excluding them from Youtube.
- _delirium 1y agoI agree, especially because in practice the vast majority of AI-generated videos uploaded to YouTube are going to be from one of about 3 or 4 generators (Sora, Veo, etc.). May change in the future, but at the moment the detection problem is pretty well constrained.
- sebstefan 1y ago> Excluding videos from training datasets doesn't mean excluding them from Youtube. Ah then sure. It was this part that was problematic. If users are still allowed to upload flagged content, then false positives almost don't matter, so Youtube could just roll out some imperfect solution and it would be fine
- derektank 1y agoI'm pretty sure YouTube saves the metadata from all the video files uploaded to it. It seems pretty trivial to exclude videos uploaded without camera model or device setting information. I seriously doubt even a tiny fraction of people uploading AI content to YouTube are taking the time to futz about with the XMP data before they upload it. Sure, they'll miss out on a lot of edited videos doing that, but that's probably for the best if you're trying to create a data set that's maintaining fidelity to the real world. Lots of ways to create false images without AI
- sim7c00 1y ago"Since launching in 2023, SynthID has watermarked over 10 billion images, videos, audio files and texts, helping identify them as AI-generated and reduce the chances of misinformation and misattribution. Outputs generated by Veo 3, Imagen 4 and Lyria 2 will continue to have SynthID watermarks. Today, we’re launching SynthID Detector, a verification portal to help people identify AI-generated content. Upload a piece of content and the SynthID Detector will identify if either the entire file or just a part of it has SynthID in it. With all our generative AI models, we aim to unleash human creativity and enable artists and creators to bring their ideas to life faster and more easily than ever before." From the page linked in the post.... So there's different ways to detect AI generated content (videos/images atleast). (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-08025-4 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-08025-4 <-- paper on synthID / watermarking and detecting it with LLMs)
- theptip 1y agoI somewhat doubt that YT cares much about AI content being uploaded, as long as it’s clearly marked as such. What they do care about is their training set getting tainted, so I imagine they will push quite hard to have some mechanism to detect AI; it’s useful to them even if users don’t act on it.
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- bamboozled 1y agoIn the future, a new intelligent species will roam the earth, they will ask, "why did their civilization fall?" The answer? These homo-sapiens strip mined the Earth and exacerbated climate change to generate enough power to make amusing cat videos...
- Duralias 1y agoAnd those videos were either not watched by anyone human or not truly watched by being part of an endless feed of similar slop.
- jonplackett 1y agoIt’s the much-feared the paper clip apocalypse, but we did it to ourselves with cat clips.
- Cthulhu_ 1y agoAt this point heat death through cat videos sound more appealing than nuclear apocalypse, lol
- Flamentono2 1y agoWe don't have an energy problem on earth. We have a capitalism problem. Renewable energy is easily able to provide enough energy sustainable. Batteries can be recycled. Solar panels are glas/plastic and silicium. Nuclear is feasable, fusion will happen in 50 years one way or the other. Existens is what it is. If it means being able to watch cat videos, so be it. We are not watching them for nothing, we watch them for happiness.
- codelord 1y agoEven if the content was 100% AI generated (which is the furthest thing from reality today) human engagement with the content is a powerful signal that can be used by AI to learn. It would be like RLHF with free human annotation at scale.
- dom96 1y agoWon't the human engagement be replaced by AI engagement too? if it isn't already being replaced?
- thomashop 1y agoThe AI is not paying for watching videos yet
- DrScientist 1y agoIndeed, it's the advertisers who are paying for AI to watch videos....
- ben_w 1y agoAnd paying for my sofa to watch a unskippable 50s ad while I make a coffee.
- mr_toad 1y agoBack in the day when everyone used to watch broadcast TV, and stations synchronised their add breaks, water consumption would spike with every add break.
- jdietrich 1y agoThe UK has a unique problem with demand spikes for electricity during commercial breaks, due to the British penchant for using high-power electric kettles to make tea. In the worst case, demand could rise and fall by gigawatts within a matter of minutes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_pickup https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_pickup https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slDAvewWfrA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slDAvewWfrA
- doctorpangloss 1y agoOn the other hand, take one look at the way they caption a video in their dataset, and you have seen like 90% of the "secret sauce" of generative art. All this supposed data and knowledge, and anyone who has worked 1 day on Imagen or Veo could become a serious competitor. The remaining 10% is the solution to generating good hands, of course. And do you think YouTube has been helping anyone achieve that?
- mrklol 1y agoWhy should YouTube be here at the advantage? Every competitor also has access to these videos(?)
- akie 1y agoDo they, though? Are competitors actually downloading all these videos? Supposedly there are 5 billion videos on YouTube (https://seo.ai/blog/how-many-videos-are-on-youtube https://seo.ai/blog/how-many-videos-are-on-youtube), downloading all of that is a LOOOOT of data and time. I mean, you could limit yourself to the most popular or most interesting 100 million, but that's still an enormous amount of data to download.
- aloha2436 1y agoEasy access to the videos without having to download them from Google (and without Google trying to stop you from scraping them, which they will) is an enormous advantage. There's way, way too much on Youtube for to index and use over the internet, and especially not at full resolution.
- Workaccount2 1y agoThat is the other perk, Google has all those videos stored in original quality locally. It wouldn't be hard for google to poison competitor training just by throttling bandwidth.
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- informal007 1y agoWhy videos are important for robotics?
- sim7c00 1y agoobject detection i'd guess.
- vbezhenar 1y agoIf you can generate realistic video stream, responding to player movements and interactions, you can train your robot using that video stream. It's much more scalable, compared to building physical environments and performing real-world training. Of course the alternative is to use game engines, but it's possible that AI would generate more realistic video stream for the same money spent. Those recent AI-generated videos certainly look much more realistic than any game footage I ever saw.
- mikepurvis 1y agoGame engines require a lot of additional work to make them suitable for that task, too— deep integration for sensor data, inputting maps and assets, plus the basic mismatch that these workflows are centered around Windows gui tools whereas robotics is happening on the Linux command line.
- seydor 1y agoMost youtube videos use stock video photography. Or the face of some youtuber. If we look at the Veo 3 examples, this is not the typical youtube video, but instead they seem to recreate cgi movies, or actual movies.
- qoez 1y agoI hear BD aren't making much money anyway so I wonder if they couldn't just buy them back for not much loss overall.
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