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There's a pretty standard argument that creating artworks should or must require the hardship of developing the skill to bring vision into reality, or paying so

There's a pretty standard argument that creating artworks should or must require the hardship of developing the skill to bring vision into reality, or paying someone who can. That can be debated, but the position is textbook gatekeeping. Other disapproval comes from different emotional places: a retreading of ludditism borne out of job insecurity, criticism of a dystopia where we've automated away the creative experience of being human but kept the grim work, or perceptions of theft or plagiarism. Whether AI has worked well for you isn't just irrelevant, but contrarian in the face of clear and present value to a lot of people. You can be disgusted with it but you can't claim it isn't there.

alpaca128 1y ago
Gatekeeping means restricting power or opportunities. Is it gatekeeping when a skill can be learned for free, and on top is also optional? Is it also gatekeeping to forbid students from using ChatGPT for homework because it would force them to go through the hardship of earning an education? I have seen what 99% of people are doing with this "clear and present value". Turns out when you give people a button to print dopamine they probably aren't going to create the next Mona Lisa, they're just going to press the button more. Even with AI, creating compelling art is still a skill that needs to be learned, and it's still hard. And why would they learn a skill when they just decided against learning a skill? Incentives matter, and here the incentives massively favor quantity over quality. > Whether AI has worked well for you isn't just irrelevant My point was that it's creatively restrictive, and that current models tend to actively steer away from creative outputs. But if you want to limit yourself to what corporations training the models and providing the cloud services deem acceptable, go ahead.
- Clamchop 1y ago
  I stated exactly what the enumeration of arguments that I know of are and which one is gatekeeping. (It's still the first one, devaluing or dismissing work out of hand if AI was involved, regardless of other merit.)
  - hooverd 1y ago
    Good, it's a socially corrosive technology. Much like you might dismiss a quality product made with child labor.
    - Clamchop 1y ago
      Terrible analogy that trivializes child abuse.
- Aurornis 1y ago
  > Gatekeeping means restricting power or opportunities. Gatekeeping commonly means excluding others from a group, a label, or an identity. That’s what they’re referring to.

alpaca128 1y ago

Gatekeeping means restricting power or opportunities. Is it gatekeeping when a skill can be learned for free, and on top is also optional? Is it also gatekeeping to forbid students from using ChatGPT for homework because it would force them to go through the hardship of earning an education? I have seen what 99% of people are doing with this "clear and present value". Turns out when you give people a button to print dopamine they probably aren't going to create the next Mona Lisa, they're just going to press the button more. Even with AI, creating compelling art is still a skill that needs to be learned, and it's still hard. And why would they learn a skill when they just decided against learning a skill? Incentives matter, and here the incentives massively favor quantity over quality. > Whether AI has worked well for you isn't just irrelevant My point was that it's creatively restrictive, and that current models tend to actively steer away from creative outputs. But if you want to limit yourself to what corporations training the models and providing the cloud services deem acceptable, go ahead.

Clamchop 1y ago
I stated exactly what the enumeration of arguments that I know of are and which one is gatekeeping. (It's still the first one, devaluing or dismissing work out of hand if AI was involved, regardless of other merit.)
- hooverd 1y ago
  Good, it's a socially corrosive technology. Much like you might dismiss a quality product made with child labor.
  - Clamchop 1y ago
    Terrible analogy that trivializes child abuse.
Aurornis 1y ago
> Gatekeeping means restricting power or opportunities. Gatekeeping commonly means excluding others from a group, a label, or an identity. That’s what they’re referring to.