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Like most AI image or video generation tools, they produce results that look good at first glance, but the more you watch, the more flaws and sloppiness you not

Like most AI image or video generation tools, they produce results that look good at first glance, but the more you watch, the more flaws and sloppiness you notice, and they really lack storytelling

superb_dev 1y ago
You don’t even have to look close for some of these. The owl suddenly flipping direction in the first video was jarring
- Workaccount2 1y ago
  It doesn't flip, it's an illusion. The owl is always facing the camera.
- quantumHazer 1y ago
  Yeah the owl ""animation"" is terrible, I bet they could have found better examples? If it wasn't the case I don't know what to think
- JamesBarney 1y ago
  It looked to me like the owl was turning around to land.
- billyp-rva 1y ago
  When it's in silhouette you don't know what direction it is facing, technically. I think what's happening is when you see a shot of something flying in front of something prominent (in this case, the moon), your brain naturally perceives it is going away from the camera and toward the object.
- llm_nerd 1y ago
  I think that's just the silhouette illusion[1]. In this case likely abetted by the framing elements moving near the edges. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinning_dancer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinning_dancer
jhaile 1y ago
Yea, but we're early days and I think that will go away as the tools get better. Also - did you watch the sample short films they have?
harikb 1y ago
They don't have to be as good as the best film production team - they just need to be better than the average/B-grade ones to gain adoption. With the media & entertainment hungry world which is about to get worse with the unempoyed/underemployed tiktok generation needing "content", something like this has to have a play.
- inerte 1y ago
  Or replace cutscenes in video games, or short videos on ads on mobile (already small and people are barely paying attention) Nowadays when I randomly open a news website to read some article, at the bottom of the page all the generic "hack to lose your belly" or "doctors recommend weird japanese device" or "how seniors can fly business class", I've been noticing lately 1/3rd of the images seem to be AI generated...
  - nathan_compton 1y ago
    God, what a dismal future we're building.
  - nine_k 1y ago
    Warning: browsing the Web without an ad blocker is hazardous to your mental health. If you regularly see ads permeating most web pages, and don't know how to avoid that, you may need to see a specialist.
    - AStonesThrow 1y ago
      Perhaps some of us choose not to rip off payments that are due to the people who provide a service that we're using. If I visit a website that's so infested with ads that I don't like being there, it's on me to stop visiting that website. I simply don't think it's fair to cheat service providers when we don't like their service. You have a choice, and that choice is to not use that service at all. They're providing it under the terms that it is ad-supported. If you don't want to support it, but you still want to use it, then you're cheating someone. That is dishonest and unethical.
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nine_k 1y ago
But you don't have to outsource 100% of your creative work to your tools. This is a toolbox, not a complete automatic masterpiece generator. If you want serious production, don't remove yourself from the loop. Drive the storytelling, consult with AI on improving things and exploring variations. Generate visuals, then adjust / edit / postprocess them to your liking. Feed the machine your drawings and specific graphic ideas, not just vague words. Use generated voices where they work well, record real humans where you need specific performance. Blend these approaches by altering the voice in a recording. All these tools just allow you to produce things faster, or produce things at all such that would be too costly to shoot in real life.
Closi 1y ago
I don’t get how someone can look at these videos and think “wow there’s lots of flaws and it’s sloppy and no storytelling” rather than “holy smokes this stuff is improving fast!” In 2 years we have moved from AI video being mostly a pipe dream to some incredible clips! It’s not what this is like now, but what will it be like in 10 years!
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- horhay 1y ago
  In the era of more software advancements, people have perceived the progress of tech to be incremental more than the opposite. I think even tech bigwigs of the past have said extrapolation is a futile endeavor because technology is unpredictable.
  - Closi 1y ago
    Bill Gates saw computers and extrapolated that there would be one in every home, Gordon Moore produced Moores Law which literally extrapolated compute in the 60s and almost still holding, and you can extrapolate that GPT-5 will perform better than GPT-4, and that there will probably be a GPT-6 that will be even better than that. Extrapolating that technology will get better in the future when it has got better in the past isn’t a sure bet, but it’s a reasonably reliable one.
    - quantumHazer 1y ago
      No, past performances are not an indicator of future performance. Sometimes it happens to be, but many other times it does not.
      - Closi 1y ago
        I think this is a strange take - Technological advancements aren't mutual funds. Of course it's an indicator of future performance - Not a guarantee, but certainly a indictator.
onlyrealcuzzo 1y ago
AI used to be quite bad at coding just - what - 2 years ago? Now it's "good enough" for a lot of cases (and the pace of improvement is astounding). AI is still not great at image gen and video gen, but the pace of improvement is impressive. I'm skeptical image, video, and sound gen are "too difficult" for AI to get "good enough" at for many use cases within the next 5 years.
- quantumHazer 1y ago
  it's still quite bad though
spiderice 1y ago
You should see the terrible results it's possible to generate with AfterEffects, Blender, Houdini, etc..

Like most AI image or video generation tools, they produce results that look good at first glance, but the more you watch, the more flaws and sloppiness you notice, and they really lack storytelling

superb_dev 1y ago

You don’t even have to look close for some of these. The owl suddenly flipping direction in the first video was jarring

Workaccount2 1y ago
It doesn't flip, it's an illusion. The owl is always facing the camera.
quantumHazer 1y ago
Yeah the owl ""animation"" is terrible, I bet they could have found better examples? If it wasn't the case I don't know what to think
JamesBarney 1y ago
It looked to me like the owl was turning around to land.
billyp-rva 1y ago
When it's in silhouette you don't know what direction it is facing, technically. I think what's happening is when you see a shot of something flying in front of something prominent (in this case, the moon), your brain naturally perceives it is going away from the camera and toward the object.
llm_nerd 1y ago
I think that's just the silhouette illusion[1]. In this case likely abetted by the framing elements moving near the edges. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinning_dancer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinning_dancer

jhaile 1y ago

Yea, but we're early days and I think that will go away as the tools get better. Also - did you watch the sample short films they have?

harikb 1y ago

They don't have to be as good as the best film production team - they just need to be better than the average/B-grade ones to gain adoption. With the media & entertainment hungry world which is about to get worse with the unempoyed/underemployed tiktok generation needing "content", something like this has to have a play.

inerte 1y ago
Or replace cutscenes in video games, or short videos on ads on mobile (already small and people are barely paying attention) Nowadays when I randomly open a news website to read some article, at the bottom of the page all the generic "hack to lose your belly" or "doctors recommend weird japanese device" or "how seniors can fly business class", I've been noticing lately 1/3rd of the images seem to be AI generated...
- nathan_compton 1y ago
  God, what a dismal future we're building.
- nine_k 1y ago
  Warning: browsing the Web without an ad blocker is hazardous to your mental health. If you regularly see ads permeating most web pages, and don't know how to avoid that, you may need to see a specialist.
  - AStonesThrow 1y ago
    Perhaps some of us choose not to rip off payments that are due to the people who provide a service that we're using. If I visit a website that's so infested with ads that I don't like being there, it's on me to stop visiting that website. I simply don't think it's fair to cheat service providers when we don't like their service. You have a choice, and that choice is to not use that service at all. They're providing it under the terms that it is ad-supported. If you don't want to support it, but you still want to use it, then you're cheating someone. That is dishonest and unethical.

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nine_k 1y ago

But you don't have to outsource 100% of your creative work to your tools. This is a toolbox, not a complete automatic masterpiece generator. If you want serious production, don't remove yourself from the loop. Drive the storytelling, consult with AI on improving things and exploring variations. Generate visuals, then adjust / edit / postprocess them to your liking. Feed the machine your drawings and specific graphic ideas, not just vague words. Use generated voices where they work well, record real humans where you need specific performance. Blend these approaches by altering the voice in a recording. All these tools just allow you to produce things faster, or produce things at all such that would be too costly to shoot in real life.

Closi 1y ago

I don’t get how someone can look at these videos and think “wow there’s lots of flaws and it’s sloppy and no storytelling” rather than “holy smokes this stuff is improving fast!” In 2 years we have moved from AI video being mostly a pipe dream to some incredible clips! It’s not what this is like now, but what will it be like in 10 years!

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horhay 1y ago
In the era of more software advancements, people have perceived the progress of tech to be incremental more than the opposite. I think even tech bigwigs of the past have said extrapolation is a futile endeavor because technology is unpredictable.
- Closi 1y ago
  Bill Gates saw computers and extrapolated that there would be one in every home, Gordon Moore produced Moores Law which literally extrapolated compute in the 60s and almost still holding, and you can extrapolate that GPT-5 will perform better than GPT-4, and that there will probably be a GPT-6 that will be even better than that. Extrapolating that technology will get better in the future when it has got better in the past isn’t a sure bet, but it’s a reasonably reliable one.
  - quantumHazer 1y ago
    No, past performances are not an indicator of future performance. Sometimes it happens to be, but many other times it does not.
    - Closi 1y ago
      I think this is a strange take - Technological advancements aren't mutual funds. Of course it's an indicator of future performance - Not a guarantee, but certainly a indictator.

onlyrealcuzzo 1y ago

AI used to be quite bad at coding just - what - 2 years ago? Now it's "good enough" for a lot of cases (and the pace of improvement is astounding). AI is still not great at image gen and video gen, but the pace of improvement is impressive. I'm skeptical image, video, and sound gen are "too difficult" for AI to get "good enough" at for many use cases within the next 5 years.

quantumHazer 1y ago
it's still quite bad though

spiderice 1y ago

You should see the terrible results it's possible to generate with AfterEffects, Blender, Houdini, etc..