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>> heinous shit >Code for - things you don't like. Check. Do you think that saying things that I don't like should de facto grant you citizenship?

by noqc 1y ago

horsawlarway 1y ago
I'm saying that "free speech" means they can say things without being intentionally targeted for removal by the government. These people aren't illegal immigrants - we're talking about revoking the visas for people here legally under visa programs. So go answer the question (or keep desperately refusing to...): Why should a visa holder be targeted and removed for making use of their free speech? How does that reconcile in your head with "I'm all for free speech". --- > Do you think that saying things that I don't like should de facto grant you citizenship? This is... gently put - A stupid fucking response. I'm saying that a visa holder shouldn't be removed or otherwise punished for making speech. I think speech shouldn't really impact their visa outside of some clear and sane limits (ex - if they advocate violently overthrowing the US government... sure, lets talk about that visa). They are here legally with legal visa - why do you confidently proclaim that you are for free speech if you believe that their speech should result in revoked visas? That's not free speech. That's curtailed speech. AKA - you are not pro free speech.
- noqc 1y ago
  > I'm saying that a visa holder shouldn't be removed or otherwise punished for making speech. You seem to think that being sent to your own country is a punishment. I do not. This is going to be a sticking point if you are trying to convince me of something.
  - horsawlarway 1y ago
    Revoking a valid visa over speech is not a punishment? Would the visa otherwise be valid? -- I'm not trying to convince you of fuck all - I am stating that you are not pro free speech. You can tell yourself whatever you'd like...

>> heinous shit >Code for - things you don't like. Check. Do you think that saying things that I don't like should de facto grant you citizenship?

by noqc 1y ago

>> heinous shit >Code for - things you don't like. Check. Do you think that saying things that I don't like should de facto grant you citizenship?

horsawlarway 1y ago

I'm saying that "free speech" means they can say things without being intentionally targeted for removal by the government. These people aren't illegal immigrants - we're talking about revoking the visas for people here legally under visa programs. So go answer the question (or keep desperately refusing to...): Why should a visa holder be targeted and removed for making use of their free speech? How does that reconcile in your head with "I'm all for free speech". --- > Do you think that saying things that I don't like should de facto grant you citizenship? This is... gently put - A stupid fucking response. I'm saying that a visa holder shouldn't be removed or otherwise punished for making speech. I think speech shouldn't really impact their visa outside of some clear and sane limits (ex - if they advocate violently overthrowing the US government... sure, lets talk about that visa). They are here legally with legal visa - why do you confidently proclaim that you are for free speech if you believe that their speech should result in revoked visas? That's not free speech. That's curtailed speech. AKA - you are not pro free speech.

noqc 1y ago
> I'm saying that a visa holder shouldn't be removed or otherwise punished for making speech. You seem to think that being sent to your own country is a punishment. I do not. This is going to be a sticking point if you are trying to convince me of something.
- horsawlarway 1y ago
  Revoking a valid visa over speech is not a punishment? Would the visa otherwise be valid? -- I'm not trying to convince you of fuck all - I am stating that you are not pro free speech. You can tell yourself whatever you'd like...