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Nonsense. Yusuf Islam is a Sunni Muslim and the fatwa wass issued by Ayatollah Khomeini, a Shia cleric. So there was no reason for him to recognize the fatwa as

by ch4s3 1y ago

Nonsense. Yusuf Islam is a Sunni Muslim and the fatwa wass issued by Ayatollah Khomeini, a Shia cleric. So there was no reason for him to recognize the fatwa as legitimate, and he literally said "He must be killed. The Qur'an makes it clear – if someone defames the prophet, then he must die." There is no ambiguity here, Yusuf Islam called for Salman Rushdie's killing over a book that a Shia cleric claimed insulted the prophet. A book I might add that neither of them ever read. Later that year he again said Rushdie should be killed in a different context.

defrost 1y ago
Only nonsense from a hard core fundementalist PoV really. Any notion why you have such a PoV? In the TV context it was clearly a rhetorical / hypothetical statement .. one of the two utterances was literally on a show titled "Hypotheticals" .. which I guess you watched along with reading the Qur'an, numerous commentaries, reading Rushdie's book, etc.
- cowboylowrez 1y ago
  according to wikipedia "it was just a joke bro" lol, at the time during the show, did anybody laugh? If its the video I just watched, nobody was laughing. In a statement in the FAQ section of one of his websites, Islam asserted that while he regretted the comments, he was joking and that the show was improperly edited.[94] I just don't see how the video I watched could have been editted in such a way that would misconstrue the words I just saw mouthed by this guy. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2750537/Video-1989-Muslim-convert-Cat-Stevens-calls-death-Salman-Rushdie.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2750537/Video-1...
  - defrost 1y ago
    > I just don't see how the video I watched could have been editted .. The video you linked has been edited twice .. once from raw live footage in order to create the TV panel show that went to air, and again a second time to extract and join short specific sections from the TV show to create the segment you linked .. with additional voice over added. The original TV footage appears to have been sourced from Geoffrey Robertson's Hypotheticals. The very name "Hypotheticals" might indicate to you how you the second round of editing has led you astray. The segment you linked has removed all context .. there is nothing of Geoffrey Robertson setting up a situation and instructing panel members "to imagine they are ...". All you have there is a tight segment lacking the larger context with an added voice over claiming that this is Islam speaking from his heart as himself, nothing about being asked to play himself as a more fundemental true believer.
    - cowboylowrez 1y ago
      I have already read the "Hypotheticals". Is he saying God is merely a "Hypothetical"? Is that even allowed with Islam, or was he just cosplaying the Islam part at the time? hehe I liked steve martins take on that egyptian thing, so as a "hypothetical" or as a "joke" yeah I dunno man, those words he mouthed just don't seem to go away. another edit, steve martin's "king tut", now thats cosplay. Maybe whatever his name was trying to be serious as hypothetically speaking while simultaneously joking about terminating somebody's metabolism in a non consensual manner. last edit: I checked on whether cosplay is haram, it is not according to "gemini", can any humans verify this? I'd hate to get killed because I listened exclusively to "gemini" because these AI's are "hallucinators" or whatever tech bro's call it nowadays haha so indeed he could cosplay, be actual Muslim, be joking and hypothetical all at the same time so maybe you're right.
      - defrost 1y ago
        > I have already read the "Hypotheticals". The transcripts of the TV show? https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3616539-geoffrey-robertson-s-hypotheticals https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3616539-geoffrey-roberts... That seems dry, but okay. > Is he saying God is merely a "Hypothetical"? Which "he"? Islam|Stevens or Robertson .. in either case, no, God being Hypothetical was not a central thesis of the show although it's likely something that was bantered about somewhere in the course of at least one of those scenarios. Maybe look through the transcripts for some mention of any God(s). > hehe I liked steve martins take on that egyptian thing I confess I'm unsure as to how Steve Martin (Banjo playing comedian slash actor Martin?) ties into this .. but yes, Hypothetical is a partially scripted staged drama that explored tricky situations, Trolley Problems, and difficult judgements that creep up on people at the edges of law and morality. The host literally assigned real people "personas" that matched some aspects of that persons real life experience and then asked them to react as their persona through a series of increasingly conflicting and escalating events of the sort that often end up in court. What ever Cat Stevens is doing there in the show he is absolutely not independantly taking the stage on his own to declare a Fatwa on Rushdie and to call on all Muslims to hunt him down and punish him .. which was the original up thread claim about his behaviour.
- ch4s3 1y ago
  He said it in other contexts as well. Why defend him on this?
  - defrost 1y ago
    I'm providing the correct context for the actual statements as made at the time. See my peer reply.

by ch4s3 1y ago

defrost 1y ago

Only nonsense from a hard core fundementalist PoV really. Any notion why you have such a PoV? In the TV context it was clearly a rhetorical / hypothetical statement .. one of the two utterances was literally on a show titled "Hypotheticals" .. which I guess you watched along with reading the Qur'an, numerous commentaries, reading Rushdie's book, etc.

cowboylowrez 1y ago
according to wikipedia "it was just a joke bro" lol, at the time during the show, did anybody laugh? If its the video I just watched, nobody was laughing. In a statement in the FAQ section of one of his websites, Islam asserted that while he regretted the comments, he was joking and that the show was improperly edited.[94] I just don't see how the video I watched could have been editted in such a way that would misconstrue the words I just saw mouthed by this guy. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2750537/Video-1989-Muslim-convert-Cat-Stevens-calls-death-Salman-Rushdie.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2750537/Video-1...
- defrost 1y ago
  > I just don't see how the video I watched could have been editted .. The video you linked has been edited twice .. once from raw live footage in order to create the TV panel show that went to air, and again a second time to extract and join short specific sections from the TV show to create the segment you linked .. with additional voice over added. The original TV footage appears to have been sourced from Geoffrey Robertson's Hypotheticals. The very name "Hypotheticals" might indicate to you how you the second round of editing has led you astray. The segment you linked has removed all context .. there is nothing of Geoffrey Robertson setting up a situation and instructing panel members "to imagine they are ...". All you have there is a tight segment lacking the larger context with an added voice over claiming that this is Islam speaking from his heart as himself, nothing about being asked to play himself as a more fundemental true believer.
  - cowboylowrez 1y ago
    I have already read the "Hypotheticals". Is he saying God is merely a "Hypothetical"? Is that even allowed with Islam, or was he just cosplaying the Islam part at the time? hehe I liked steve martins take on that egyptian thing, so as a "hypothetical" or as a "joke" yeah I dunno man, those words he mouthed just don't seem to go away. another edit, steve martin's "king tut", now thats cosplay. Maybe whatever his name was trying to be serious as hypothetically speaking while simultaneously joking about terminating somebody's metabolism in a non consensual manner. last edit: I checked on whether cosplay is haram, it is not according to "gemini", can any humans verify this? I'd hate to get killed because I listened exclusively to "gemini" because these AI's are "hallucinators" or whatever tech bro's call it nowadays haha so indeed he could cosplay, be actual Muslim, be joking and hypothetical all at the same time so maybe you're right.
    - defrost 1y ago
      > I have already read the "Hypotheticals". The transcripts of the TV show? https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3616539-geoffrey-robertson-s-hypotheticals https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3616539-geoffrey-roberts... That seems dry, but okay. > Is he saying God is merely a "Hypothetical"? Which "he"? Islam|Stevens or Robertson .. in either case, no, God being Hypothetical was not a central thesis of the show although it's likely something that was bantered about somewhere in the course of at least one of those scenarios. Maybe look through the transcripts for some mention of any God(s). > hehe I liked steve martins take on that egyptian thing I confess I'm unsure as to how Steve Martin (Banjo playing comedian slash actor Martin?) ties into this .. but yes, Hypothetical is a partially scripted staged drama that explored tricky situations, Trolley Problems, and difficult judgements that creep up on people at the edges of law and morality. The host literally assigned real people "personas" that matched some aspects of that persons real life experience and then asked them to react as their persona through a series of increasingly conflicting and escalating events of the sort that often end up in court. What ever Cat Stevens is doing there in the show he is absolutely not independantly taking the stage on his own to declare a Fatwa on Rushdie and to call on all Muslims to hunt him down and punish him .. which was the original up thread claim about his behaviour.
ch4s3 1y ago
He said it in other contexts as well. Why defend him on this?
- defrost 1y ago
  I'm providing the correct context for the actual statements as made at the time. See my peer reply.