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That position is pure hubris.
by saubeidl 1y ago
That position is pure hubris.
- mystified5016 1y agoNo, the president of the US should just be considered by all to be the god-emperor of the planet.
- aegypti 1y agoICC signatories: - Europe - LATAM - subsaharan Africa ICC nonsignatories: - US - China - India - Russia - Turkey - Israel - Pakistan - Egypt - Saudi Arabia Hubris is imagining a situation in which The Hague Act is ever tested in the first place!
- frankharv 1y agoMeanwhile Ursula "lost" her phones text messages and is laughing at oversight. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2x7gzdr01o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2x7gzdr01o
- jamesblonde 1y agoWhataboutism
- polski-g 1y agoIsrael never agreed to abide by the ICC and they're still trying to claim authority over Israeli actions? That's crazy.
- dlubarov 1y agoYeah, the ICC considers itself to have jurisdiction over crimes committed by non-parties if they're within the territory of a party to the Rome Statute. Here the argument goes that the State of Palestine is a party, and Gaza is somehow its territory, even though it has never controlled or governed Gaza.
- runarberg 1y agoThe State of Palestine has two government at the moment which govern separate territories, just like Libya, Yemen, or China. Neither government of Palestine disputes the ICCs jurisdiction over Gaza. And unlike China there have been numerous attempts to unify the two governments, most of them were stopped by Israel. I think the ICCs argument of jurisdiction is entirely reasonable, and consistent with how the court has ruled previously. EDIT: Since this is Hacker News and we like nerdy details, I’ve linked below the 2021 ruling that established it’s jurisdiction of Palestine. The ruling was 3-1 and explicitly included the West Bank including East Jerusalem, and Gaza. https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/icc-pre-trial-chamber-i-issues-its-decision-prosecutors-request-related-territorial https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/icc-pre-trial-chamber-i-issues-...
- sieabahlpark 1y ago[dead]
- dlubarov 1y agoHamas' feelings about the case aren't really relevant to jurisdiction, partly because the ICC doesn't recognize Gaza as a state, and partly since Hamas hasn't accepted the ICC's jurisdiction. The latter would require Hamas to accept ICC jurisdiction over crimes committed by themselves, not only by Israel, so I don't think that would happen regardless of the statehood matter. Libya, Yemen, and China are a bit different since they used to be unified states. It's great that there's a vision for a unified State of Palestine, but I don't think it makes any sense for the international community to pretend that exists today. In reality the current State of Palestine is represented only by the PLO, which has never controlled Gaza, not is it supported by most Gazans. China is an interesting comparison though. Hypothetically if the PRC wanted to join the ICC, would the ICC understand that as including Taiwan, regardless of what the ROC or the people of Taiwan wanted? If so, that seems like a bad situation made possible by China's leverage, and not something the international community should try to replicate with Palestine.
- runarberg 1y ago
- mathgradthrow 1y agoCan you use hubris is a different sentence, so that I can make sure I inderstand what you think it means?
- saubeidl 1y agoIt was imperialist hubris for Russia to attack Ukraine.