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Another fun note about Russian logistics, they aren't palletized or mechanized. Thought being that cranes don't look good in parades. The train side seems smart

Another fun note about Russian logistics, they aren't palletized or mechanized. Thought being that cranes don't look good in parades. The train side seems smart or at least interesting, the pallets incredibly dumb. https://x.com/TrentTelenko/status/1507056013245128716 https://x.com/TrentTelenko/status/1507056013245128716

jabl 1y ago
Why invest in forklifts, container infrastructure etc. if your military has a near-endless supply of uneducated conscripts you can order to shuffle around shells and other items? (Of course a more thorough analysis would probably come to the conclusion that better logistics is worth it. There's still an opportunity cost for those conscripts who could do something else instead, like dying in zerg rushes on the Ukrainian front. And even though those conscripts are 'free' they still require chow and a place to sleep etc.)
- smallstepforman 1y ago
  “ endless supply of uneducated conscripts “ Now you’re just being silly.
  - bluGill 1y ago
    Regardless of how much education they have - they are treated as uneducated.
kranke155 1y ago
This is a debunked post I think.
- IAmBroom 1y ago
  https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1507056013245128716.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1507056013245128716.html Your cite?
- celticninja 1y ago
  i dont believe it is.
  - paddy_m 1y ago
    Trent and a lot of Ukranian war commentators have a habit of saying $X is catastrophic for the Russians (this is the worst on YouTube). Then those catastrophic things don't come to pass. Related, I have seen one guy, over and over say "Why isn't Ukraine hitting Russian electric train transformer stations". I don't have a good answer, most of Russia's rail network is electric, transformers blow up easily, there are many of them, and they would be very slow to replace. Ukraine clearly has deep strike capabilities, and Russia cant defend every transformer. I don't think it's a humanitarian issue, or at this point even an issue with the US telling Ukraine they can't hit those targets.
    - wkat4242 1y ago
      Transformers are not very hard to replace or make though. All they are is some copper wound around iron. It will just be some added frustration and annoyance for them but no gamechanger. If they start doing it a lot Russia will just build a bigger electrical workforce and more backstock. They have plenty of people and the authorianism to make them do whatever they want. It's just a pissing contest. Russia did lots of cyberattacks on the Ukrainian electrical network in the years before the invasion. Didn't do anything either but send a message. I would compare it to the Natanz cyber attack which reportedly cost a fortune and caused lots of business losses around the world. It only set the Iranian uranium refinement back a few percent. Then Obama comes and talks to them, strikes a deal. That solved the issue entirely and cost much less. Of course then Trump comes and messes it all up again but that's another story.
      - celticninja 1y ago
        Do you mean stuxnet? That was a cyber attack, natanz was a blackout caused by a blast/explosion IIRC.
        1y ago
theshrike79 1y ago
Compare this to the completely bonkers logistics of the US Military: https://youtu.be/iIpPuJ_r8Xg https://youtu.be/iIpPuJ_r8Xg Even Unicef has a massive logistics center in Denmark with pallets of stuff categorised and ready to be sent for any emergency: https://www.unicef.org/supply/warehousing-and-distribution https://www.unicef.org/supply/warehousing-and-distribution
- wkat4242 1y ago
  Well yes but the US usually fights in faraway places to bring freedom (though the only thing they manage to 'liberate' is oil, see how Afghanistan and Iraq turned into hellholes as soon as they turned their backs) Russia just likes to kill the shit out of their neighbours which is a lot easier logistically.
  - theshrike79 1y ago
    And when most of their neighbours historically use the same rail gauge, it's a lot easier too :D

jabl 1y ago

Why invest in forklifts, container infrastructure etc. if your military has a near-endless supply of uneducated conscripts you can order to shuffle around shells and other items? (Of course a more thorough analysis would probably come to the conclusion that better logistics is worth it. There's still an opportunity cost for those conscripts who could do something else instead, like dying in zerg rushes on the Ukrainian front. And even though those conscripts are 'free' they still require chow and a place to sleep etc.)

smallstepforman 1y ago
“ endless supply of uneducated conscripts “ Now you’re just being silly.
- bluGill 1y ago
  Regardless of how much education they have - they are treated as uneducated.

kranke155 1y ago

This is a debunked post I think.

IAmBroom 1y ago
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1507056013245128716.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1507056013245128716.html Your cite?
celticninja 1y ago
i dont believe it is.
- paddy_m 1y ago
  Trent and a lot of Ukranian war commentators have a habit of saying $X is catastrophic for the Russians (this is the worst on YouTube). Then those catastrophic things don't come to pass. Related, I have seen one guy, over and over say "Why isn't Ukraine hitting Russian electric train transformer stations". I don't have a good answer, most of Russia's rail network is electric, transformers blow up easily, there are many of them, and they would be very slow to replace. Ukraine clearly has deep strike capabilities, and Russia cant defend every transformer. I don't think it's a humanitarian issue, or at this point even an issue with the US telling Ukraine they can't hit those targets.
  - wkat4242 1y ago
    Transformers are not very hard to replace or make though. All they are is some copper wound around iron. It will just be some added frustration and annoyance for them but no gamechanger. If they start doing it a lot Russia will just build a bigger electrical workforce and more backstock. They have plenty of people and the authorianism to make them do whatever they want. It's just a pissing contest. Russia did lots of cyberattacks on the Ukrainian electrical network in the years before the invasion. Didn't do anything either but send a message. I would compare it to the Natanz cyber attack which reportedly cost a fortune and caused lots of business losses around the world. It only set the Iranian uranium refinement back a few percent. Then Obama comes and talks to them, strikes a deal. That solved the issue entirely and cost much less. Of course then Trump comes and messes it all up again but that's another story.
    - celticninja 1y ago
      Do you mean stuxnet? That was a cyber attack, natanz was a blackout caused by a blast/explosion IIRC.
      - 1y ago

theshrike79 1y ago

Compare this to the completely bonkers logistics of the US Military: https://youtu.be/iIpPuJ_r8Xg https://youtu.be/iIpPuJ_r8Xg Even Unicef has a massive logistics center in Denmark with pallets of stuff categorised and ready to be sent for any emergency: https://www.unicef.org/supply/warehousing-and-distribution https://www.unicef.org/supply/warehousing-and-distribution

wkat4242 1y ago
Well yes but the US usually fights in faraway places to bring freedom (though the only thing they manage to 'liberate' is oil, see how Afghanistan and Iraq turned into hellholes as soon as they turned their backs) Russia just likes to kill the shit out of their neighbours which is a lot easier logistically.
- theshrike79 1y ago
  And when most of their neighbours historically use the same rail gauge, it's a lot easier too :D