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I do not believe that this is politically motivated. I just see no evidence for that. Justice systems are allergic to public disrespect. That alone can complet

by arrrg 14y ago

I do not believe that this is politically motivated. I just see no evidence for that. Justice systems are allergic to public disrespect. That alone can completely explain the behavior of the police in Sweden and the UK. Assange is a self-importent prick, cowardly on the run from pretty serious allegations. He exploits his involvement with Wikileaks to sow doubt. I really think it's as simple as that.

Natsu 14y ago
> I do not believe that this is politically motivated. > Justice systems are allergic to public disrespect. For some definitions of "politically motivated," you would have contradicted yourself.
- arrrg 14y ago
  Sigh. I knew someone would say something stupid like that. We all know what was meant with politically motivated in the comment I was responding to. Don't be a pedantic ass when I was perfectly understandable.
  - Natsu 14y ago
    It's going to be hard to understand what you mean if your definition of "politically motivated" does not include pissing off the authorities.
    - arrrg 14y ago
      Politically motivated in this context clearly means related to Wikileaks and nothing else. All I want to say that it isn't. That's why comments like yours are pedantic self-importance that only want to derail the discussion.
      - Natsu 14y ago
        Wikileaks itself was flagrant disrespect for the political system, whose secrets it exposed. I don't see how you can say it's this kind of politically motivated but not that. I see that you've retreated with that "and nothing else" part though, admitting that it is, in fact, a factor.
        arrrg 14y ago
        Please stop putting words in my mouth. The British justice system is motivated to get him because he is behaving like a prick in public and managed to escape them. That's all. Not really politically motivated at all.
        Natsu 14y ago
        The "and nothing else" part was a direct quote from your post as of the time I read it. If there have been edits, I have yet to notice them. I believe the distinction you are trying to draw lacks a difference. You may consider that pedantry, but being able to communicate precisely what you mean is important, particularly on a story like this where tensions run high.
rjsamson 14y ago
Agreed. Assange's ego and self importance have really hurt what wikileaks was supposed to be about. By all accounts the guy is a scumbag on a personal level and he is unjustly trying to use wikileaks as a shield.
- hammersend 14y ago
  "By all accounts the guy is a scumbag" This is so ridiculously absurd and easily rebutted by there just being one account of him not being a "scumbag" that I wonder why you would even bother typing such a transparent ad hominem in the first place.
Tycho 14y ago
- Sweden refused to promise Ecuador that he would not be extradited to the US - Sweden issued police alerts more befitting of an international terrorist suspect - Assange was hit by these charges coincidentally just at the the time when he'd provoked the wrath of the US - the charge they'd managed to conjure up is one for which there can be basically no exhonerating witnesses and no physical evidence, so they simply 'must' question him in person - the supposed victims were tweeting about how excited they were to be with Assange seemingly after the alleged crime and also did not report it until later as if they were prompted by some other motivation I'd put the odds of this being a legitimate criminal case at something like 0.0000034%
- arrrg 14y ago
  Sigh. Just one thing. no country will promise not to extradite someone. They can't. It's just not possible to promise something like that. How is that supposed to work? If (hypothetically) the US were to request Assange's extradition and if they had (hypothetically) evidence and valid reasons for doing so, Sweden would have to break their treaty. Why do you believe it's possible to promise something like that? That's crazy.
  - Tycho 14y ago
    Pretty simple, they ask the US if they wish to have Assange extradited or not. If they don't, then Sweden can say to Ecuador that Assange will not face extradition to the US for anything he has hitherto committed. If they do, then Sweden should just fucking admit it.
  - dasil003 14y ago
    Okay. What about the other four points?
    - MarkMc 14y ago
      The four other points are valid defense arguments - something which were probably brought up at the UK extradition hearing and would be brought up in a Swedish trial. However, the allegation of the charge being 'conjured up' would require that both the UK and Swedish judicial systems be severely compromised. That would be an extraordinary conspiracy, so the claim requires extraordinary evidence. The four points mentioned simply don't meet that standard in my opinion.

by arrrg 14y ago

Natsu 14y ago

> I do not believe that this is politically motivated. > Justice systems are allergic to public disrespect. For some definitions of "politically motivated," you would have contradicted yourself.

arrrg 14y ago
Sigh. I knew someone would say something stupid like that. We all know what was meant with politically motivated in the comment I was responding to. Don't be a pedantic ass when I was perfectly understandable.
- Natsu 14y ago
  It's going to be hard to understand what you mean if your definition of "politically motivated" does not include pissing off the authorities.
  - arrrg 14y ago
    Politically motivated in this context clearly means related to Wikileaks and nothing else. All I want to say that it isn't. That's why comments like yours are pedantic self-importance that only want to derail the discussion.
    - Natsu 14y ago
      Wikileaks itself was flagrant disrespect for the political system, whose secrets it exposed. I don't see how you can say it's this kind of politically motivated but not that. I see that you've retreated with that "and nothing else" part though, admitting that it is, in fact, a factor.
      - arrrg 14y ago
        Please stop putting words in my mouth. The British justice system is motivated to get him because he is behaving like a prick in public and managed to escape them. That's all. Not really politically motivated at all.
        Natsu 14y ago
        The "and nothing else" part was a direct quote from your post as of the time I read it. If there have been edits, I have yet to notice them. I believe the distinction you are trying to draw lacks a difference. You may consider that pedantry, but being able to communicate precisely what you mean is important, particularly on a story like this where tensions run high.

rjsamson 14y ago

Agreed. Assange's ego and self importance have really hurt what wikileaks was supposed to be about. By all accounts the guy is a scumbag on a personal level and he is unjustly trying to use wikileaks as a shield.

hammersend 14y ago
"By all accounts the guy is a scumbag" This is so ridiculously absurd and easily rebutted by there just being one account of him not being a "scumbag" that I wonder why you would even bother typing such a transparent ad hominem in the first place.

Tycho 14y ago

- Sweden refused to promise Ecuador that he would not be extradited to the US - Sweden issued police alerts more befitting of an international terrorist suspect - Assange was hit by these charges coincidentally just at the the time when he'd provoked the wrath of the US - the charge they'd managed to conjure up is one for which there can be basically no exhonerating witnesses and no physical evidence, so they simply 'must' question him in person - the supposed victims were tweeting about how excited they were to be with Assange seemingly after the alleged crime and also did not report it until later as if they were prompted by some other motivation I'd put the odds of this being a legitimate criminal case at something like 0.0000034%

arrrg 14y ago
Sigh. Just one thing. no country will promise not to extradite someone. They can't. It's just not possible to promise something like that. How is that supposed to work? If (hypothetically) the US were to request Assange's extradition and if they had (hypothetically) evidence and valid reasons for doing so, Sweden would have to break their treaty. Why do you believe it's possible to promise something like that? That's crazy.
- Tycho 14y ago
  Pretty simple, they ask the US if they wish to have Assange extradited or not. If they don't, then Sweden can say to Ecuador that Assange will not face extradition to the US for anything he has hitherto committed. If they do, then Sweden should just fucking admit it.
- dasil003 14y ago
  Okay. What about the other four points?
  - MarkMc 14y ago
    The four other points are valid defense arguments - something which were probably brought up at the UK extradition hearing and would be brought up in a Swedish trial. However, the allegation of the charge being 'conjured up' would require that both the UK and Swedish judicial systems be severely compromised. That would be an extraordinary conspiracy, so the claim requires extraordinary evidence. The four points mentioned simply don't meet that standard in my opinion.