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It is not a minor delay and in case of war such a delay can easily cost billions. And if there isn't a war, the benefits of a interconnected and integrated eur

by lukan 1y ago

It is not a minor delay and in case of war such a delay can easily cost billions. And if there isn't a war, the benefits of a interconnected and integrated european railwail network are potentially huge. 300 km/h trains connecting Finnland with Spain with no delay or bumps? That would be something.

pjc50 1y ago
> 300 km/h trains connecting Finnland with Spain with no delay or bumps? Bit tricky this: either you cross the Baltic by ferry and resume at Tallinn, or you have to go a long way round north from Helsinki and come down again through Sweden, across Oresund and through Denmark.
- Akronymus 1y ago
  Couldn't they build something similar to the eurotunnel but with denmark and sweden?
  - lukan 1y ago
    There is a bridge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%98resund_Bridge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%98resund_Bridge And more tunnels are getting build. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fehmarn_Belt_fixed_link https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fehmarn_Belt_fixed_link
    - Akronymus 1y ago
      Oh. I should've looked it up before making a statement on it. My apologies and thanks for the correction.
    - yencabulator 1y ago
      That bridge is going to be incredibly easy to destroy, should a big enough country wish that. And it definitely isn't going to be rebuilt quickly enough to matter for a war.
      - lukan 1y ago
        With nukes, you can destroy anything. Otherwise the kerch bridge is still standing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Bridge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Bridge
        yencabulator 1y ago
        Russia does not want that bridge to fall. Ukraine likely does but wasn't able to execute (outside of artillery range by now, limited access to long-range missiles, utter lack of sea power in the area, failure to anticipate circumstances enough to take it out while they still had control over area). All other countries are trying to not get involved, including not selling Ukraine (many) long-distance high destructive power missiles. I wouldn't generalize from that to "nobody could destroy a bridge".
        lukan 1y ago
        "I wouldn't generalize from that to "nobody could destroy a bridge". Moving goalposts? "That bridge is going to be incredibly easy to destroy" Of course bridges can be destroyed. Also Ukraine would have succeded by now, if it really would have changed the war and justify the efforts. (It doesn't anymore, since russia has the land train connections) But it really ain't "incredibly easy", if that bridge is guarded. The failed attempts document as much - and Ukraine knows how to destroy things by now.
- lukan 1y ago
  Yeah, I meant the northern way, but a tunnel into the baltics, or a normal, peaceful landconnection over St.Petersburg would of course make more sense for connecting Helsinki. Or connecting Helsinki with Stockholm via Åland. All nice concepts. All quite expensive obviously. https://www.euronews.com/next/2025/03/08/will-a-bridge-across-the-baltic-sea-to-sweden-give-finland-faster-connections-to-europe https://www.euronews.com/next/2025/03/08/will-a-bridge-acros... https://ferryshippingnews.com/aland-islands-tunnel-is-back-on-the-table/ https://ferryshippingnews.com/aland-islands-tunnel-is-back-o...
yencabulator 1y ago
> 300 km/h trains connecting Finnland with Spain with no delay or bumps? Have you seen a map of the region?

by lukan 1y ago

pjc50 1y ago

> 300 km/h trains connecting Finnland with Spain with no delay or bumps? Bit tricky this: either you cross the Baltic by ferry and resume at Tallinn, or you have to go a long way round north from Helsinki and come down again through Sweden, across Oresund and through Denmark.

Akronymus 1y ago
Couldn't they build something similar to the eurotunnel but with denmark and sweden?
- lukan 1y ago
  There is a bridge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%98resund_Bridge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%98resund_Bridge And more tunnels are getting build. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fehmarn_Belt_fixed_link https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fehmarn_Belt_fixed_link
  - Akronymus 1y ago
    Oh. I should've looked it up before making a statement on it. My apologies and thanks for the correction.
  - yencabulator 1y ago
    That bridge is going to be incredibly easy to destroy, should a big enough country wish that. And it definitely isn't going to be rebuilt quickly enough to matter for a war.
    - lukan 1y ago
      With nukes, you can destroy anything. Otherwise the kerch bridge is still standing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Bridge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Bridge
      - yencabulator 1y ago
        Russia does not want that bridge to fall. Ukraine likely does but wasn't able to execute (outside of artillery range by now, limited access to long-range missiles, utter lack of sea power in the area, failure to anticipate circumstances enough to take it out while they still had control over area). All other countries are trying to not get involved, including not selling Ukraine (many) long-distance high destructive power missiles. I wouldn't generalize from that to "nobody could destroy a bridge".
        lukan 1y ago
        "I wouldn't generalize from that to "nobody could destroy a bridge". Moving goalposts? "That bridge is going to be incredibly easy to destroy" Of course bridges can be destroyed. Also Ukraine would have succeded by now, if it really would have changed the war and justify the efforts. (It doesn't anymore, since russia has the land train connections) But it really ain't "incredibly easy", if that bridge is guarded. The failed attempts document as much - and Ukraine knows how to destroy things by now.
lukan 1y ago
Yeah, I meant the northern way, but a tunnel into the baltics, or a normal, peaceful landconnection over St.Petersburg would of course make more sense for connecting Helsinki. Or connecting Helsinki with Stockholm via Åland. All nice concepts. All quite expensive obviously. https://www.euronews.com/next/2025/03/08/will-a-bridge-across-the-baltic-sea-to-sweden-give-finland-faster-connections-to-europe https://www.euronews.com/next/2025/03/08/will-a-bridge-acros... https://ferryshippingnews.com/aland-islands-tunnel-is-back-on-the-table/ https://ferryshippingnews.com/aland-islands-tunnel-is-back-o...

yencabulator 1y ago

> 300 km/h trains connecting Finnland with Spain with no delay or bumps? Have you seen a map of the region?