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We absolutely can. They'd just be deeply uncomfortable.

by Oarch 1y ago

ExoticPearTree 1y ago
> They'd just be deeply uncomfortable. I rode these kind of trains in multiple countries and continents and there's nothing uncomfortable about them. Why do you say that?
- walthamstow 1y ago
  I think they're joking. A double decker train is only feasible in the UK if everyone sits on the floor.
- pjc50 1y ago
  Yeah, per sibling I think this is a joke about building a double decker train that's not tall enough for people to stand up in.
- pmyteh 1y ago
  Because of the tight loading gauge in Britain, trying to cram two decks in would make it very small. It's been tried (once[0]) and they weren't able to make it fully double-decker, quick to load/unload, or especially comfortable. I agree that they're fine in countries with larger bridges and tunnels -- Amtrak's Superliners are palatial in size -- but not for us. (Except probably for the Channel Tunnel rail link, which is built to French gauge). [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR_Class_4DD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR_Class_4DD
  - ExoticPearTree 1y ago
    I rode double decker trains in the Netheraland, US, Germany and France and they were very good - same space and I would say headroom as a normal train. I was not aware that the UK has a different gauge than Europe and US.
    - pmyteh 1y ago
      Yes - to a surprising extent. The best diagram I've seen overlays them[0]. The British gauges are the smaller ones starting with W - with W6 being available essentially everywhere and the higher numbers on specially cleared routes to make it easier to move larger freight containers. GA and GB are standard Western European gauges: both taller and wider. There's a surprising amount of global variation as much of this stuff wasn't standardised until after most railways were built. AIUI that's even true in the US, where the routes in the West can often take double-stacked containers and Amtrak's Superliners, and further East they often can't. [0]: https://rfg.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Loading-Gauge.jpg https://rfg.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Loading-Gauge....

We absolutely can. They'd just be deeply uncomfortable.

by Oarch 1y ago

We absolutely can. They'd just be deeply uncomfortable.

> They'd just be deeply uncomfortable. I rode these kind of trains in multiple countries and continents and there's nothing uncomfortable about them. Why do you say that?

walthamstow 1y ago
I think they're joking. A double decker train is only feasible in the UK if everyone sits on the floor.
pjc50 1y ago
Yeah, per sibling I think this is a joke about building a double decker train that's not tall enough for people to stand up in.
pmyteh 1y ago
Because of the tight loading gauge in Britain, trying to cram two decks in would make it very small. It's been tried (once[0]) and they weren't able to make it fully double-decker, quick to load/unload, or especially comfortable. I agree that they're fine in countries with larger bridges and tunnels -- Amtrak's Superliners are palatial in size -- but not for us. (Except probably for the Channel Tunnel rail link, which is built to French gauge). [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR_Class_4DD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR_Class_4DD
- ExoticPearTree 1y ago
  I rode double decker trains in the Netheraland, US, Germany and France and they were very good - same space and I would say headroom as a normal train. I was not aware that the UK has a different gauge than Europe and US.
  - pmyteh 1y ago
    Yes - to a surprising extent. The best diagram I've seen overlays them[0]. The British gauges are the smaller ones starting with W - with W6 being available essentially everywhere and the higher numbers on specially cleared routes to make it easier to move larger freight containers. GA and GB are standard Western European gauges: both taller and wider. There's a surprising amount of global variation as much of this stuff wasn't standardised until after most railways were built. AIUI that's even true in the US, where the routes in the West can often take double-stacked containers and Amtrak's Superliners, and further East they often can't. [0]: https://rfg.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Loading-Gauge.jpg https://rfg.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Loading-Gauge....