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I still can't believe how people use windows as their main system with all the extremely invasive telemetry and bogus "AI" features that hogs a LOT of resources

I still can't believe how people use windows as their main system with all the extremely invasive telemetry and bogus "AI" features that hogs a LOT of resources at idle

gowthamgts12 1y ago
i use it only for gaming. no developer i know personally uses windows. either they are on mac or linux.
grishka 1y ago
Some people don't know that computers can be fast. Others modify their system to remove/neutralize all this crap. There are even tools to automate that.
- ruszki 1y ago
  It’s not even that difficult to manually remove these from Windows. It’s like a handful of configs. It’s way easier to do that than make (probably) any Linux distro to work with my current and previous setups. Which btw I could never achieve even with considerable amount of tinkering.
- udev4096 1y ago
  "Some people are just stupid"
  - Ylpertnodi 1y ago
    But most are just ignorant. Ignorance, not being a crime, of course.
  - 71bw 1y ago
    Blunt and yet so true
guardian5x 1y ago
And yet games run pretty fast on Windows.
- udev4096 1y ago
  [flagged]
  - mafuy 1y ago
    No need to be so mean. And it's obviously not true as not all Windows programs run on linux. Source: I switched nearly all my machines to linux over the past couple years.
Mashimo 1y ago
What AI features hogs a lot of resources on windows?
misja111 1y ago
I am forced to use Windows at work. Surprisingly many large enterprises use Windows, mostly because of their dependency on Microsoft Office and Exchange. I'm really happy that WSL exists so I have to deal as little with Windows as possible. At home I still need to have a native Windows laptop because of one application that I use a lot (a backgammon analyser) that runs natively on Windows and is heavily cpu driven. I could run it in a VM but the performance penalty is just too heavy.
TrackerFF 1y ago
I mainly use a computer for: - Work (heavy usage of Microsoft office apps) - Audio / recording studio - Some gaming - Software development Unfortunately for me, that's three uses where Windows excels, versus one for Linux.
- k8sToGo 1y ago
  Three out of four would also work on a Mac though
  - paintbox 1y ago
    [flagged]
    - k8sToGo 1y ago
      What's with this useless response?
      - Ylpertnodi 1y ago
        I'm not the person you're responding to, but i see their 'ok' reply as being valid. I, too, use windows for audio recording: i rather suspect anyone that does, knows about what's available, both for mac, and linux. And, have chosen [reasons, amongst many, being: cost, availability, trust, familiarity...etc, etc] 'not those paths'. For now.
        k8sToGo 1y ago
        That's fine. But this is still a place to discuss things no? Also it wasn't even his comment I replied to... If someone disagrees or agrees with my comment they should feel free to state their points or just ignore it. Maybe he has good points that speak against Mac
designerarvid 1y ago
Few people know what Linux is. Most only know that there are "macs" and "pc" and haven't used a personal computer privately at all since they got their first ipad in 2016.
LikelyLiar 1y ago
I play video games that require an anti-cheat, so there's that. But honestly, it's fairly easy to deal with that. You can use the Windows IoT LTSC version and use one of those trusted debloaters. I haven't seen any AI features or bloat in a very long time. I am not that proficient, I tried it three times, first hurdle is trying to find a distro, making all that research about which ones have more pre-configuration and which ones would be less buggy for your hardware can be a pain. The thing that attracted me to Linux is the file system and customization. I just wanted to daily drive it, not really for any work. But bugs are just a reality using most DEs available. In my case once, it even was related to performance, I had to stay the whole day trying to find out why Kubuntu was slower than Windows on my laptop, ended up just being one line in some config file that forced battery-saving performance, I failed to find the post online after encountering the same issue months later after reinstalling the system. Believe it or not, it's not all sunshine and rainbows, I just realized I use Windows more and more in my dual boot system, so I gave up on using Linux after that.
spixy 1y ago
Because 90% of software run only on Windows. As a software dev I understand that having telemetry is a good thing. I dont believe it is "extremely invasive". And I have no idea what AI features you mean (at least on Win10).
- udev4096 1y ago
  It is definitely in win11. Might be less on win10. Maybe try using something like simplewall [0], which shows prompts for every network request that phones home [0] - https://github.com/henrypp/simplewall https://github.com/henrypp/simplewall

I still can't believe how people use windows as their main system with all the extremely invasive telemetry and bogus "AI" features that hogs a LOT of resources at idle

gowthamgts12 1y ago

i use it only for gaming. no developer i know personally uses windows. either they are on mac or linux.

grishka 1y ago

Some people don't know that computers can be fast. Others modify their system to remove/neutralize all this crap. There are even tools to automate that.

ruszki 1y ago
It’s not even that difficult to manually remove these from Windows. It’s like a handful of configs. It’s way easier to do that than make (probably) any Linux distro to work with my current and previous setups. Which btw I could never achieve even with considerable amount of tinkering.
udev4096 1y ago
"Some people are just stupid"
- Ylpertnodi 1y ago
  But most are just ignorant. Ignorance, not being a crime, of course.
- 71bw 1y ago
  Blunt and yet so true

guardian5x 1y ago

And yet games run pretty fast on Windows.

udev4096 1y ago
[flagged]
- mafuy 1y ago
  No need to be so mean. And it's obviously not true as not all Windows programs run on linux. Source: I switched nearly all my machines to linux over the past couple years.

Mashimo 1y ago

What AI features hogs a lot of resources on windows?

misja111 1y ago

I am forced to use Windows at work. Surprisingly many large enterprises use Windows, mostly because of their dependency on Microsoft Office and Exchange. I'm really happy that WSL exists so I have to deal as little with Windows as possible. At home I still need to have a native Windows laptop because of one application that I use a lot (a backgammon analyser) that runs natively on Windows and is heavily cpu driven. I could run it in a VM but the performance penalty is just too heavy.

TrackerFF 1y ago

I mainly use a computer for: - Work (heavy usage of Microsoft office apps) - Audio / recording studio - Some gaming - Software development Unfortunately for me, that's three uses where Windows excels, versus one for Linux.

k8sToGo 1y ago
Three out of four would also work on a Mac though
- paintbox 1y ago
  [flagged]
  - k8sToGo 1y ago
    What's with this useless response?
    - Ylpertnodi 1y ago
      I'm not the person you're responding to, but i see their 'ok' reply as being valid. I, too, use windows for audio recording: i rather suspect anyone that does, knows about what's available, both for mac, and linux. And, have chosen [reasons, amongst many, being: cost, availability, trust, familiarity...etc, etc] 'not those paths'. For now.
      - k8sToGo 1y ago
        That's fine. But this is still a place to discuss things no? Also it wasn't even his comment I replied to... If someone disagrees or agrees with my comment they should feel free to state their points or just ignore it. Maybe he has good points that speak against Mac

designerarvid 1y ago

Few people know what Linux is. Most only know that there are "macs" and "pc" and haven't used a personal computer privately at all since they got their first ipad in 2016.

LikelyLiar 1y ago

I play video games that require an anti-cheat, so there's that. But honestly, it's fairly easy to deal with that. You can use the Windows IoT LTSC version and use one of those trusted debloaters. I haven't seen any AI features or bloat in a very long time. I am not that proficient, I tried it three times, first hurdle is trying to find a distro, making all that research about which ones have more pre-configuration and which ones would be less buggy for your hardware can be a pain. The thing that attracted me to Linux is the file system and customization. I just wanted to daily drive it, not really for any work. But bugs are just a reality using most DEs available. In my case once, it even was related to performance, I had to stay the whole day trying to find out why Kubuntu was slower than Windows on my laptop, ended up just being one line in some config file that forced battery-saving performance, I failed to find the post online after encountering the same issue months later after reinstalling the system. Believe it or not, it's not all sunshine and rainbows, I just realized I use Windows more and more in my dual boot system, so I gave up on using Linux after that.

spixy 1y ago

Because 90% of software run only on Windows. As a software dev I understand that having telemetry is a good thing. I dont believe it is "extremely invasive". And I have no idea what AI features you mean (at least on Win10).

udev4096 1y ago
It is definitely in win11. Might be less on win10. Maybe try using something like simplewall [0], which shows prompts for every network request that phones home [0] - https://github.com/henrypp/simplewall https://github.com/henrypp/simplewall