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I am pretty sure that USA Gov. wouldn't see things that way. Between breaking the law versus keeping ICC happy I think that Microsoft would default on obeying t

I am pretty sure that USA Gov. wouldn't see things that way. Between breaking the law versus keeping ICC happy I think that Microsoft would default on obeying the law. Hosting a email service isn't rocket science. If ICC can't be bothered to do that for themselves that speaks more to their general incompetence then anything else. This isn't the first time they have faced US sanctions, after all.

salawat 1y ago
>Hosting a email service isn't rocket science. If ICC can't be bothered to do that for themselves that speaks more to their general incompetence then anything else. I personally found building a rocket in KSP easier than getting all the external actors required to ensure reliable email delivery (completely self-hosted) lined up. The fact is, most actors will not work with you if you don't have a business acct with your ISP. That's human relationship management, and therefore, hard. Ironically, rocket science is easy by comparison. Use equations, plugin values, solve for X. Calculators and slide rules can get you to another planet easier than you can get a packet to a goddamned Gmail user through all the bloody layers of abstraction. And don't even get me started on the cryptographic material management. Just figuring out how large a key you can actually use and not have DNS mangle it is a bitch. That and bloody SMTP/IMAP proxying configuration if you have multiple domains on your intranet. I embarked on the quest and have put a pin in it, ceasing to go any further until further notice, but as someone who has embarked on that journey, your comment is about the most condescending thing imaginable, and strikes me as being the product of a time where maybe email wasn't as hostile a space as it is today.
- tptacek 1y ago
  It's hard, but not hard on the scale of "challenging for multi-state coalitions to accomplish". You and I might not be set up to deal with deliverability, but ~any funded startup could do it.

salawat 1y ago

>Hosting a email service isn't rocket science. If ICC can't be bothered to do that for themselves that speaks more to their general incompetence then anything else. I personally found building a rocket in KSP easier than getting all the external actors required to ensure reliable email delivery (completely self-hosted) lined up. The fact is, most actors will not work with you if you don't have a business acct with your ISP. That's human relationship management, and therefore, hard. Ironically, rocket science is easy by comparison. Use equations, plugin values, solve for X. Calculators and slide rules can get you to another planet easier than you can get a packet to a goddamned Gmail user through all the bloody layers of abstraction. And don't even get me started on the cryptographic material management. Just figuring out how large a key you can actually use and not have DNS mangle it is a bitch. That and bloody SMTP/IMAP proxying configuration if you have multiple domains on your intranet. I embarked on the quest and have put a pin in it, ceasing to go any further until further notice, but as someone who has embarked on that journey, your comment is about the most condescending thing imaginable, and strikes me as being the product of a time where maybe email wasn't as hostile a space as it is today.

tptacek 1y ago
It's hard, but not hard on the scale of "challenging for multi-state coalitions to accomplish". You and I might not be set up to deal with deliverability, but ~any funded startup could do it.