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Consider that we wouldn't have the life we have today if cancel-culture was the norm several decades ago. Not everyone will be perfect at everything, so just ta

Consider that we wouldn't have the life we have today if cancel-culture was the norm several decades ago. Not everyone will be perfect at everything, so just take the good and ignore the rest. Genius and insanity tend to be very, very close.

kgwxd 1y ago
> so just take the good and ignore the rest That's how we have the life we have today. People now seem to be taking it to the extreme, ignoring the rest, even when there is no hint of any good.
wredcoll 1y ago
'Cancel culture' was the norm several decades ago. And several centuries before that. Just in semi-recent history we had mccarthy 'cancelling' people for purportedly being linked to communism, and that was a whole lot more serious than some modern publisher refusing to buy your book or twitter banning you. A few decades before that, it wasn't real uncommon that if your neighbors objected to who you were or what you said, for them to hang you by your neck from a convenient tree until you were quite dead. Humans have always suffered penalties for being on the wrong side of their neighbor's majority opinions. These days the penalties are frankly pretty minor.
- russdill 1y ago
  Pretty much anywhere you look, you find instances https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lollipop_(1958_song) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lollipop_(1958_song)
- coliveira 1y ago
  Just because something bad like censorship happened in the past, it doesn't mean we need to excuse it in our own times.
  - WorldMaker 1y ago
    Is it censorship, though? When is the last time "cancel culture" actually banned a thing? It seems so strange to me what this politicized bubble has become. So far it's an (attempt at) collaborative "vote with your wallet" [0] and one political party is loudly saying "not like that". But the political party most complaining about "cancel culture" is also the party most actually trying to ban things, yet that's not "cancel culture" it is "think of the children" (and it's not "vote with your wallet", it is town hall grandstanding and letter writing campaigns and lobbyists). It is such a fascinating example of hypocrisy in our society right now. To entirely strawman it: "You can't tell me what to do [with my cash], but I can tell the libraries what you shouldn't be allowed to read. You are the real monster telling me what to do with my cash. Censorship of libraries is in the best interests of the children! Think of the children! They could be reading filth, oh no! Freedom of speech doesn't apply to children, just to me!" I know in many cases not everyone that hates "cancel culture" also wants to ban library books, but the intersection seems large enough that it is concerning. [0] Which carries its own terrible baggage. "Vote with your wallet" just means that the rich "deserve" more votes. That's not Democracy. Which isn't to say that boycotts and general strikes don't work or don't have some power in our economy, but that it isn't always the power you think it is, and to wield that power correctly takes collective effort (large enough boycotts and general strikes to hit a bottom line figure), not individualism.
    - userbinator 1y ago
      but the intersection seems large enough that it is concerning. The extremists on both sides are what you hear the most of, but the rest of the population is far more moderate.
      - wredcoll 1y ago
        Ah yes, the "extremists" who just happen to be consistently voted into office. Also I agree 100% with you that "one side" trying to pass laws to control access to books in libraries is exactly the same as the "other side" going around telling people not to buy tesla cars. Definitely not something to worry about.
- WarOnPrivacy 1y ago
  > 'Cancel culture' was the norm several decades ago. Yeah. Hanoi Jane and Beatles Burnings quickly come to mind.

kgwxd 1y ago

> so just take the good and ignore the rest That's how we have the life we have today. People now seem to be taking it to the extreme, ignoring the rest, even when there is no hint of any good.

wredcoll 1y ago

'Cancel culture' was the norm several decades ago. And several centuries before that. Just in semi-recent history we had mccarthy 'cancelling' people for purportedly being linked to communism, and that was a whole lot more serious than some modern publisher refusing to buy your book or twitter banning you. A few decades before that, it wasn't real uncommon that if your neighbors objected to who you were or what you said, for them to hang you by your neck from a convenient tree until you were quite dead. Humans have always suffered penalties for being on the wrong side of their neighbor's majority opinions. These days the penalties are frankly pretty minor.

russdill 1y ago
Pretty much anywhere you look, you find instances https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lollipop_(1958_song) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lollipop_(1958_song)
coliveira 1y ago
Just because something bad like censorship happened in the past, it doesn't mean we need to excuse it in our own times.
- WorldMaker 1y ago
  Is it censorship, though? When is the last time "cancel culture" actually banned a thing? It seems so strange to me what this politicized bubble has become. So far it's an (attempt at) collaborative "vote with your wallet" [0] and one political party is loudly saying "not like that". But the political party most complaining about "cancel culture" is also the party most actually trying to ban things, yet that's not "cancel culture" it is "think of the children" (and it's not "vote with your wallet", it is town hall grandstanding and letter writing campaigns and lobbyists). It is such a fascinating example of hypocrisy in our society right now. To entirely strawman it: "You can't tell me what to do [with my cash], but I can tell the libraries what you shouldn't be allowed to read. You are the real monster telling me what to do with my cash. Censorship of libraries is in the best interests of the children! Think of the children! They could be reading filth, oh no! Freedom of speech doesn't apply to children, just to me!" I know in many cases not everyone that hates "cancel culture" also wants to ban library books, but the intersection seems large enough that it is concerning. [0] Which carries its own terrible baggage. "Vote with your wallet" just means that the rich "deserve" more votes. That's not Democracy. Which isn't to say that boycotts and general strikes don't work or don't have some power in our economy, but that it isn't always the power you think it is, and to wield that power correctly takes collective effort (large enough boycotts and general strikes to hit a bottom line figure), not individualism.
  - userbinator 1y ago
    but the intersection seems large enough that it is concerning. The extremists on both sides are what you hear the most of, but the rest of the population is far more moderate.
    - wredcoll 1y ago
      Ah yes, the "extremists" who just happen to be consistently voted into office. Also I agree 100% with you that "one side" trying to pass laws to control access to books in libraries is exactly the same as the "other side" going around telling people not to buy tesla cars. Definitely not something to worry about.
WarOnPrivacy 1y ago
> 'Cancel culture' was the norm several decades ago. Yeah. Hanoi Jane and Beatles Burnings quickly come to mind.