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The art was good. I remember Cat Stevens disappearing from the airwaves when Yusuf Islam emerged. You might feel differently about the art based on how it conne

The art was good. I remember Cat Stevens disappearing from the airwaves when Yusuf Islam emerged. You might feel differently about the art based on how it connects to the post-revelation artist. Michael Jackson was close to a genius. Pablo Picasso was never called an asshole.

ch4s3 1y ago
It doesn’t help that Yusuf Islam called for the murder of Salman Rushdie live on TV, which connects his odiousness to his work in a way the other artists transgressions often aren’t.
- defrost 1y ago
  "His odiousness" was less a personal jihad to see Rushdie killed and more the end result of ill considered comments about what different systems of law state after being drawn in and questioned on the contentious issue live. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_Stevens%27_comments_about_Salman_Rushdie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_Stevens%27_comments_about_...
  - WarOnPrivacy 1y ago
    I have no feelings about him either way. I've read thru Islam's statements and gotten the best context I can. The adjective I would apply to all of it is hapless. More than anything, Islam seems ill equipped to handle these matters. And to be fair, he indicated he is not the guy to come to for this topic. I would bolster that to say that if someone truly wanted a substantive, educated opinion about fatwa, they would have gone to someone capable of giving them that.
    - defrost 1y ago
      The context for one of the two(?) TV statements on air was Geoffrey Robertson's Hypotheticals. Great TV factual, devilish, host led open panel discussion about hair trigger dilemmas of real life and law staged by an international QC (now KC) and human rights lawyer. It was literally about exploring the gap between written law, law as practicied, morals and ethics, and circumstances that would test anyone. Cat Stevens / Yusuf Islam was a typical guest .. an everyman of no particular deep study into such things, just one of many on the Clapham omnibus. Taking anything said by anyone on that particular show, sans context, as a literal statement of their core personal belief is tenuous at best. Good show concept though, pity it's not around anymore: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_Robertson#Media_career https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_Robertson#Media_caree...
  - ch4s3 1y ago
    Nonsense. Yusuf Islam is a Sunni Muslim and the fatwa wass issued by Ayatollah Khomeini, a Shia cleric. So there was no reason for him to recognize the fatwa as legitimate, and he literally said "He must be killed. The Qur'an makes it clear – if someone defames the prophet, then he must die." There is no ambiguity here, Yusuf Islam called for Salman Rushdie's killing over a book that a Shia cleric claimed insulted the prophet. A book I might add that neither of them ever read. Later that year he again said Rushdie should be killed in a different context.
    - defrost 1y ago
      Only nonsense from a hard core fundementalist PoV really. Any notion why you have such a PoV? In the TV context it was clearly a rhetorical / hypothetical statement .. one of the two utterances was literally on a show titled "Hypotheticals" .. which I guess you watched along with reading the Qur'an, numerous commentaries, reading Rushdie's book, etc.
      - cowboylowrez 1y ago
        according to wikipedia "it was just a joke bro" lol, at the time during the show, did anybody laugh? If its the video I just watched, nobody was laughing. In a statement in the FAQ section of one of his websites, Islam asserted that while he regretted the comments, he was joking and that the show was improperly edited.[94] I just don't see how the video I watched could have been editted in such a way that would misconstrue the words I just saw mouthed by this guy. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2750537/Video-1989-Muslim-convert-Cat-Stevens-calls-death-Salman-Rushdie.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2750537/Video-1...
        defrost 1y ago
        > I just don't see how the video I watched could have been editted .. The video you linked has been edited twice .. once from raw live footage in order to create the TV panel show that went to air, and again a second time to extract and join short specific sections from the TV show to create the segment you linked .. with additional voice over added. The original TV footage appears to have been sourced from Geoffrey Robertson's Hypotheticals. The very name "Hypotheticals" might indicate to you how you the second round of editing has led you astray. The segment you linked has removed all context .. there is nothing of Geoffrey Robertson setting up a situation and instructing panel members "to imagine they are ...". All you have there is a tight segment lacking the larger context with an added voice over claiming that this is Islam speaking from his heart as himself, nothing about being asked to play himself as a more fundemental true believer.
- jxjnskkzxxhx 1y ago
  He claims he never supported the fatwa https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/sep/27/yusuf-cat-stevens-desert-island-discs-islam-fatwa-playing-guitar https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/sep/27/yusuf-c...
armadsen 1y ago
Picasso absolutely was called that and worse. His treatment of women in his life and some of his children was far from decent.
jonstewart 1y ago
Very nice Repo Man reference. Well done. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI-gt7GrNAA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI-gt7GrNAA
- defrost 1y ago
  Could've been an OG Jonathan Richman and the Modern Lovers reference . . . lot of Road Runner and Wheels on the Bus fans out there still.
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ch4s3 1y ago

It doesn’t help that Yusuf Islam called for the murder of Salman Rushdie live on TV, which connects his odiousness to his work in a way the other artists transgressions often aren’t.

defrost 1y ago
"His odiousness" was less a personal jihad to see Rushdie killed and more the end result of ill considered comments about what different systems of law state after being drawn in and questioned on the contentious issue live. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_Stevens%27_comments_about_Salman_Rushdie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_Stevens%27_comments_about_...
- WarOnPrivacy 1y ago
  I have no feelings about him either way. I've read thru Islam's statements and gotten the best context I can. The adjective I would apply to all of it is hapless. More than anything, Islam seems ill equipped to handle these matters. And to be fair, he indicated he is not the guy to come to for this topic. I would bolster that to say that if someone truly wanted a substantive, educated opinion about fatwa, they would have gone to someone capable of giving them that.
  - defrost 1y ago
    The context for one of the two(?) TV statements on air was Geoffrey Robertson's Hypotheticals. Great TV factual, devilish, host led open panel discussion about hair trigger dilemmas of real life and law staged by an international QC (now KC) and human rights lawyer. It was literally about exploring the gap between written law, law as practicied, morals and ethics, and circumstances that would test anyone. Cat Stevens / Yusuf Islam was a typical guest .. an everyman of no particular deep study into such things, just one of many on the Clapham omnibus. Taking anything said by anyone on that particular show, sans context, as a literal statement of their core personal belief is tenuous at best. Good show concept though, pity it's not around anymore: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_Robertson#Media_career https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_Robertson#Media_caree...
- ch4s3 1y ago
  Nonsense. Yusuf Islam is a Sunni Muslim and the fatwa wass issued by Ayatollah Khomeini, a Shia cleric. So there was no reason for him to recognize the fatwa as legitimate, and he literally said "He must be killed. The Qur'an makes it clear – if someone defames the prophet, then he must die." There is no ambiguity here, Yusuf Islam called for Salman Rushdie's killing over a book that a Shia cleric claimed insulted the prophet. A book I might add that neither of them ever read. Later that year he again said Rushdie should be killed in a different context.
  - defrost 1y ago
    Only nonsense from a hard core fundementalist PoV really. Any notion why you have such a PoV? In the TV context it was clearly a rhetorical / hypothetical statement .. one of the two utterances was literally on a show titled "Hypotheticals" .. which I guess you watched along with reading the Qur'an, numerous commentaries, reading Rushdie's book, etc.
    - cowboylowrez 1y ago
      according to wikipedia "it was just a joke bro" lol, at the time during the show, did anybody laugh? If its the video I just watched, nobody was laughing. In a statement in the FAQ section of one of his websites, Islam asserted that while he regretted the comments, he was joking and that the show was improperly edited.[94] I just don't see how the video I watched could have been editted in such a way that would misconstrue the words I just saw mouthed by this guy. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2750537/Video-1989-Muslim-convert-Cat-Stevens-calls-death-Salman-Rushdie.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2750537/Video-1...
      - defrost 1y ago
        > I just don't see how the video I watched could have been editted .. The video you linked has been edited twice .. once from raw live footage in order to create the TV panel show that went to air, and again a second time to extract and join short specific sections from the TV show to create the segment you linked .. with additional voice over added. The original TV footage appears to have been sourced from Geoffrey Robertson's Hypotheticals. The very name "Hypotheticals" might indicate to you how you the second round of editing has led you astray. The segment you linked has removed all context .. there is nothing of Geoffrey Robertson setting up a situation and instructing panel members "to imagine they are ...". All you have there is a tight segment lacking the larger context with an added voice over claiming that this is Islam speaking from his heart as himself, nothing about being asked to play himself as a more fundemental true believer.
jxjnskkzxxhx 1y ago
He claims he never supported the fatwa https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/sep/27/yusuf-cat-stevens-desert-island-discs-islam-fatwa-playing-guitar https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/sep/27/yusuf-c...

armadsen 1y ago

Picasso absolutely was called that and worse. His treatment of women in his life and some of his children was far from decent.

jonstewart 1y ago

Very nice Repo Man reference. Well done. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI-gt7GrNAA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI-gt7GrNAA

defrost 1y ago
Could've been an OG Jonathan Richman and the Modern Lovers reference . . . lot of Road Runner and Wheels on the Bus fans out there still.
- deleted 1y ago
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