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Your reasoning is totally sound up until the final clause. The "correct" answer isn't biasing evaluation pipelines, it's ensuring you have proportional represe

Your reasoning is totally sound up until the final clause. The "correct" answer isn't biasing evaluation pipelines, it's ensuring you have proportional representation in the pool of applicants.

RHSeeger 1y ago
> ensuring you have proportional representation in the pool of applicants But you don't in most cases. And a lot of that is because minorities, in general, have a less access to opportunities. By lifting up minorities individually, the goal is to raise them up at a systematic level. And the end goal of _that_ is so that they can/do have proportional representation in the pool of applicants. At which point, the biased treatment to get them there will no longer be necessary. Admittedly, it's debatable as to whether that approach will work; but I haven't seen any other viable options put forth.
BobaFloutist 1y ago
By funnel I meant everything up to, but not including, the actual evaluation. Personally, I believe in affirmative action, but it's become evident that it's incredibly unpopular, and the Supreme Court has rendered it actively illegal, so my personal opinion is moot and I know when to cede a losing battle. What I was describing is literally the steps you would take if you wanted to ensure you have proportional representation in the pool of applicants.
- Enginerrrd 1y ago
  That makes sense and sounds consistent with what I was saying. I guess it wasn't clear to me what you meant by "biasing" the funnel. You obviously need to bias your recruitment efforts, and more than slightly if you want proportional representation of applicants, but I believe it's absolutely essential you do NOT bias evaluations, hiring, or promotion of applicants. To do so actively undermines minorities in my opinion by stripping away their credibility by default.

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Your reasoning is totally sound up until the final clause. The "correct" answer isn't biasing evaluation pipelines, it's ensuring you have proportional represe

by Enginerrrd 1y ago

Your reasoning is totally sound up until the final clause. The "correct" answer isn't biasing evaluation pipelines, it's ensuring you have proportional representation in the pool of applicants.

RHSeeger 1y ago
> ensuring you have proportional representation in the pool of applicants But you don't in most cases. And a lot of that is because minorities, in general, have a less access to opportunities. By lifting up minorities individually, the goal is to raise them up at a systematic level. And the end goal of _that_ is so that they can/do have proportional representation in the pool of applicants. At which point, the biased treatment to get them there will no longer be necessary. Admittedly, it's debatable as to whether that approach will work; but I haven't seen any other viable options put forth.
BobaFloutist 1y ago
By funnel I meant everything up to, but not including, the actual evaluation. Personally, I believe in affirmative action, but it's become evident that it's incredibly unpopular, and the Supreme Court has rendered it actively illegal, so my personal opinion is moot and I know when to cede a losing battle. What I was describing is literally the steps you would take if you wanted to ensure you have proportional representation in the pool of applicants.
- Enginerrrd 1y ago
  That makes sense and sounds consistent with what I was saying. I guess it wasn't clear to me what you meant by "biasing" the funnel. You obviously need to bias your recruitment efforts, and more than slightly if you want proportional representation of applicants, but I believe it's absolutely essential you do NOT bias evaluations, hiring, or promotion of applicants. To do so actively undermines minorities in my opinion by stripping away their credibility by default.