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Cool. But DEI practices happened not because of anecdotes, but data on systemic bias - which endangers multiple generations of people. A responsible government
by shakna 1y ago
Cool. But DEI practices happened not because of anecdotes, but data on systemic bias - which endangers multiple generations of people. A responsible government will act on the data, rather than a gut feeling.
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- kelseyfrog 1y agoBut anti-DEI policy allowed a group in the process of losing status to name and point to a target. The function of removing DEI is to relieve them of the feeling that their status was under attack.
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- FridayoLeary 1y agoOne can argue that DEI itself is racist.
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- epistasis 1y agoOne can argue nearly anything, that doesn't make the argument correct or sound.
- Manuel_D 1y ago> But DEI practices happened not because of anecdotes, but data on systemic bias Often said. Rarely backed up by such data. Efforts to measure bias in tech has consistently shown preferences favoring women: https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1418878112 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1418878112, the chart with the important data: https://www.pnas.org/cms/10.1073/pnas.1418878112/asset/fc20a04b-ec76-419f-8d45-0e4217b249ad/assets/graphic/pnas.1418878112fig01.jpeg https://www.pnas.org/cms/10.1073/pnas.1418878112/asset/fc20a... Study on sending resumes to SV tech companies: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3672484 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3672484, HN discussion on the paperhttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25069644 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25069644 Yet all the DEI programs I've seen firsthand have privileged women over men.
- shakna 1y agoOk, but "tech" is not just Silicon Valley. And as a whole, there is absolutely bias [0]. In the US, mostly for older, white males, in Europe, mostly for younger white males. [0] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0014292122001957 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S001429212...
- Manuel_D 1y agoYour own study showed a preference for women. Look at the row "female gender" in the results table: https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0014292122001957-gr5.jpg https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S00142921220019... More positive bias than negative. None of the DEI programs I've encountered have focused on age or disability. Only race and gender, mostly the latter.
- test098 1y agoThat study didn't "measure bias in tech": "Here we report five hiring experiments in which faculty evaluated hypothetical female and male applicants, using systematically varied profiles disguising identical scholarship, for assistant professorships in biology, engineering, economics, and psychology."
- raxxorraxor 1y agoThis data doesn't exist and you could generate data with the opposite conclusion. It still just offers racial discrimination and nothing more.