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Saying running full Linux avoids wasting time on fiddly workarounds kinda blows my mind. Full hardware support is still not a given, and Windows emulation is s

Saying running full Linux avoids wasting time on fiddly workarounds kinda blows my mind. Full hardware support is still not a given, and Windows emulation is still need for so many cases (e.g. games, specialized software etc). Until I can choose any machine based on form factor and specs alone and just run Linux on it, WSL will the best version of Linux it can run.

trelane 1y ago
> Full hardware support is still not a given, If you're not buying your hardware from a vendor you can call and get support with Linux from, you're going to have a hard time.
guappa 1y ago
> Full hardware support is still not a given I bought an iphone and then got angry it didn't run android
bongodongobob 1y ago
What modern hardware isn't supported by Linux? I haven't had driver problems in probably over a decade. I don't even target Linux for my builds, it just works. Same with the pile of random laptops I've installed it on. Wifi out of the box etc.
- delta_p_delta_x 1y ago
  > What modern hardware isn't supported by Linux? Fingerprint sensors and IR login cameras that are pre-installed on many laptops, and have Windows-only drivers. As an end-user (yes, I'm an engineer too, but from the perspective of the OS and driver developers I am an end-user) I don't care who is in charge of getting the device to work on an OS—I only care that it works or not. And these devices don't, on Linux. So, they are broken.
  - karunamurti 1y ago
    yeah those are weird since huge chunk of the drivers are userland.
  - guappa 1y ago
    My fingerprint scanner works, but I don't use it because typing my password is faster.
braiamp 1y ago
> Full hardware support is still not a given What may hap be your workload? The only thing that aren't working on Linux day 1 are GPU's, and it's mostly because kernel/distro timings (we haven't had a GPU release without support for mainline kernel in years).
- int_19h 1y ago
  Or the wireless chipset that your corporate laptop happens to have. Or Bluetooh. Or it won't suspend properly.
  - ap-andersson 1y ago
    Or a way worse touchpad experience. No swiping geastures. No smooth scrolling. FN-buttons not working. Or any other million issues. I have never been able to install Linux on a laptop and getting things to work within a weekend. And then reverting becuase I need my computer.
    - guappa 1y ago
      Run wayland instead of xorg… Also get better laptops.
      - makeitdouble 1y ago
        > better laptops The absolute best built laptops on the market right now don't come with Linux support...
        guappa 1y ago
        If you're thinking of apple… as a former apple owner and current thinkpad owner… the built quality of apple is severely overrated. Please come back with comments that are not just shilling.
    - ok123456 1y ago
      Buy a System76
sagarm 1y ago
Why would your primary work device be running an OS not supported by the device vendor? That's just bizarre. I use Linux as my primary OS, and while Proton/Steam are pretty good now I'm still rebooting into (unactivated) Windows for some games. It's fine. It's also the only thing I use Windows for. On an unrelated note, I'm frankly confused about who wants Apple's janky OS, because I've been forced to use it for work and it is very annoying.
ok123456 1y ago
In the case of some "compatibility" subsystem, it's absolutely true. It's complexity that requires fiddly workarounds. Just use Linux.

trelane 1y ago

> Full hardware support is still not a given, If you're not buying your hardware from a vendor you can call and get support with Linux from, you're going to have a hard time.

guappa 1y ago

> Full hardware support is still not a given I bought an iphone and then got angry it didn't run android

bongodongobob 1y ago

What modern hardware isn't supported by Linux? I haven't had driver problems in probably over a decade. I don't even target Linux for my builds, it just works. Same with the pile of random laptops I've installed it on. Wifi out of the box etc.

delta_p_delta_x 1y ago
> What modern hardware isn't supported by Linux? Fingerprint sensors and IR login cameras that are pre-installed on many laptops, and have Windows-only drivers. As an end-user (yes, I'm an engineer too, but from the perspective of the OS and driver developers I am an end-user) I don't care who is in charge of getting the device to work on an OS—I only care that it works or not. And these devices don't, on Linux. So, they are broken.
- karunamurti 1y ago
  yeah those are weird since huge chunk of the drivers are userland.
- guappa 1y ago
  My fingerprint scanner works, but I don't use it because typing my password is faster.

braiamp 1y ago

> Full hardware support is still not a given What may hap be your workload? The only thing that aren't working on Linux day 1 are GPU's, and it's mostly because kernel/distro timings (we haven't had a GPU release without support for mainline kernel in years).

int_19h 1y ago
Or the wireless chipset that your corporate laptop happens to have. Or Bluetooh. Or it won't suspend properly.
- ap-andersson 1y ago
  Or a way worse touchpad experience. No swiping geastures. No smooth scrolling. FN-buttons not working. Or any other million issues. I have never been able to install Linux on a laptop and getting things to work within a weekend. And then reverting becuase I need my computer.
  - guappa 1y ago
    Run wayland instead of xorg… Also get better laptops.
    - makeitdouble 1y ago
      > better laptops The absolute best built laptops on the market right now don't come with Linux support...
      - guappa 1y ago
        If you're thinking of apple… as a former apple owner and current thinkpad owner… the built quality of apple is severely overrated. Please come back with comments that are not just shilling.
  - ok123456 1y ago
    Buy a System76

sagarm 1y ago

Why would your primary work device be running an OS not supported by the device vendor? That's just bizarre. I use Linux as my primary OS, and while Proton/Steam are pretty good now I'm still rebooting into (unactivated) Windows for some games. It's fine. It's also the only thing I use Windows for. On an unrelated note, I'm frankly confused about who wants Apple's janky OS, because I've been forced to use it for work and it is very annoying.

ok123456 1y ago

In the case of some "compatibility" subsystem, it's absolutely true. It's complexity that requires fiddly workarounds. Just use Linux.