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Staunch adherence to the familiar in a changing world is dangerous in-and-of itself. It is inherently anti-science. And "order" doesn't fully capture it either

Staunch adherence to the familiar in a changing world is dangerous in-and-of itself. It is inherently anti-science. And "order" doesn't fully capture it either, because the concept it gestures at can be more accurately described as "hierarchy" - as Kirk puts it, "a conviction that society requires orders and classes that emphasize "natural" distinctions". In other words, everyone has a proper place in society, with some above and others below, and any attempts to remove that hierarchy are moral wrongs which require the transgressors to be put back in their place. You can see how that core belief is intrinsically dangerous, and how nearly every controversial conservative belief about social classes falls out of it. (It's also worth noting that this explains why conservatism's earliest champions were supporters of the aristocracy, and also why conservatism is more beloved by the old-money wealthy than move-fast-and-break-things new-money tech.)

itsoktocry 1y ago
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- ActorNightly 1y ago
  >in a world where half of all published "science" is fake or fraudulent (and dominated by leftists), See here is the thing- you don't know this is true. You never actually went and looked at the science or verified how much of it is fake. And yet, at the same time, you benefited from this science when its convenient to you because you probably don't realize that a medication or something you are using came from left leaning university. This is what I mean by being out of touch with reality.
  - A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 1y ago
    Sigh. Stop. I read the parent's post and his concerns are not without merit. << See here is the thing- you don't know this is true. You never actually went and looked at the science or verified how much of it is fake. Technically speaking, neither do you unless you went over said data yourself. That said, some people did[2] and found that a good chunk of current studies can't be replicated. What does that say about the state of said science? Does it support your position? Does it support parent's post? << something you are using came from left leaning university. The problem is not with left leaning or even right leaning. It is with people who blindly proclaim "Science!", but, at best, are an equivalent of annoying fanboys and, at worst, dilettantes, who feel compelled to use power of the state to squash people, who, in their mind, undermine their POV[1]. << This is what I mean by being out of touch with reality. And somehow, just to top it all off, they feel superior. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko [2]https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-39054778 https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-39054778
    - kubb 1y ago
      Respectfully, the replication crisis in science doesn’t invalidate scientific consensus. The stuff that actually is thoroughly checked and widely accepted still stands, and is a much stronger foundation because it has been challenged and verified many times. It’s a misconception that every published paper must be true. Testing and invalidating results is a part of the process. Talking about leftist ideology in science hints that you want to reject the consensus because it disagrees with your dearly held beliefs.
      - A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 1y ago
        << Respectfully, the replication crisis in science doesn’t invalidate scientific consensus. Sure, but it does undermine it. << The stuff that actually is thoroughly checked and widely accepted still stands, and is a much stronger foundation because it has been challenged and verified many times. Which part of replication crisis is hard to understand? If it cannot be reliably replicated, then the foundation itself is flimsy bordering on tenuous. << It’s a misconception that every published paper must be true. Bold, but I will attempt to respond with a straight face. Sure, but the referenced crisis does not affect one or even two papers. The problem starts when it hits sufficient number to make people question how much of those papers are just academia level reach arounds. << Testing and invalidating results is a part of the process. Yes, absolutely. After all, exception tests the rule. The problem starts when the exception becomes the norm. << Talking about leftist ideology in science hints that you want to reject the consensus because it disagrees with your dearly held beliefs. I would encourage you to read what I wrote and consider hesitating on trying to decode language as it is not your forte. I am not rejecting consensus. I am rejecting your premise. edit: removed otherwise antagonizing language
        kubb 1y ago
        > Sure, but it does undermine it. Not really. Take something like vaccines. There’s a ton of verified evidence that they work, and the view that they cause harm is not well supported at all. The fact that someone published papers about idk some obscure alkaloid causing mice to live longer and it’s the only paper ever written on this subject and it can’t be replicated, doesn’t say anything about the efficacy of vaccines. There’s stuff that becomes a part of the consensus doesn’t do so based of a single paper. The scientific knowledge is solid. And scientists know not to trust single unverified results.

itsoktocry 1y ago

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ActorNightly 1y ago
>in a world where half of all published "science" is fake or fraudulent (and dominated by leftists), See here is the thing- you don't know this is true. You never actually went and looked at the science or verified how much of it is fake. And yet, at the same time, you benefited from this science when its convenient to you because you probably don't realize that a medication or something you are using came from left leaning university. This is what I mean by being out of touch with reality.
- A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 1y ago
  Sigh. Stop. I read the parent's post and his concerns are not without merit. << See here is the thing- you don't know this is true. You never actually went and looked at the science or verified how much of it is fake. Technically speaking, neither do you unless you went over said data yourself. That said, some people did[2] and found that a good chunk of current studies can't be replicated. What does that say about the state of said science? Does it support your position? Does it support parent's post? << something you are using came from left leaning university. The problem is not with left leaning or even right leaning. It is with people who blindly proclaim "Science!", but, at best, are an equivalent of annoying fanboys and, at worst, dilettantes, who feel compelled to use power of the state to squash people, who, in their mind, undermine their POV[1]. << This is what I mean by being out of touch with reality. And somehow, just to top it all off, they feel superior. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko [2]https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-39054778 https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-39054778
  - kubb 1y ago
    Respectfully, the replication crisis in science doesn’t invalidate scientific consensus. The stuff that actually is thoroughly checked and widely accepted still stands, and is a much stronger foundation because it has been challenged and verified many times. It’s a misconception that every published paper must be true. Testing and invalidating results is a part of the process. Talking about leftist ideology in science hints that you want to reject the consensus because it disagrees with your dearly held beliefs.
    - A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 1y ago
      << Respectfully, the replication crisis in science doesn’t invalidate scientific consensus. Sure, but it does undermine it. << The stuff that actually is thoroughly checked and widely accepted still stands, and is a much stronger foundation because it has been challenged and verified many times. Which part of replication crisis is hard to understand? If it cannot be reliably replicated, then the foundation itself is flimsy bordering on tenuous. << It’s a misconception that every published paper must be true. Bold, but I will attempt to respond with a straight face. Sure, but the referenced crisis does not affect one or even two papers. The problem starts when it hits sufficient number to make people question how much of those papers are just academia level reach arounds. << Testing and invalidating results is a part of the process. Yes, absolutely. After all, exception tests the rule. The problem starts when the exception becomes the norm. << Talking about leftist ideology in science hints that you want to reject the consensus because it disagrees with your dearly held beliefs. I would encourage you to read what I wrote and consider hesitating on trying to decode language as it is not your forte. I am not rejecting consensus. I am rejecting your premise. edit: removed otherwise antagonizing language
      - kubb 1y ago
        > Sure, but it does undermine it. Not really. Take something like vaccines. There’s a ton of verified evidence that they work, and the view that they cause harm is not well supported at all. The fact that someone published papers about idk some obscure alkaloid causing mice to live longer and it’s the only paper ever written on this subject and it can’t be replicated, doesn’t say anything about the efficacy of vaccines. There’s stuff that becomes a part of the consensus doesn’t do so based of a single paper. The scientific knowledge is solid. And scientists know not to trust single unverified results.