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I can only imagine what's going to happen in 4 years. The current administration has opened a can of worms that is not easily closed. Once you start sending peo

I can only imagine what's going to happen in 4 years. The current administration has opened a can of worms that is not easily closed. Once you start sending people to torture prisons, once you start defying lawful orders, people are going to be scared that this same power can be used against them. Imagine what you would do if you thought weakness could leave you no recourse if you were sent to the gulags? How ruthless and self serving would you get?

pessimizer 1y ago
Imagine thinking the US just started sending people to torture prisons now. We had a worldwide network of black sites just to torture people, destroyed all the videotapes, pardoned all the torturers, and made the person who destroyed the tapes the head of the CIA a few years later. > once you start defying lawful orders, people are going to be scared that this same power can be used against them. I feel like people only born yesterday could say this. There has been a bipartisan push for an Executive unfettered by the legislature since 9/11, and extreme partisans just point at each other. You're both right.
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- greenavocado 1y ago
  Exactly. Anybody can go to Google Images and type "abu ghraib uncensored" to see how it's done.
  - nativeit 1y ago
    ...or watch Adam Driver give his character a stress disorder documenting the abuses in the major motion picture "The Report". I think the CIA torture program is pretty common knowledge at this point. That said, "common knowledge" might be a misnomer at this point.
viraptor 1y ago
> Imagine what you would do if you thought weakness could leave you no recourse if you were sent to the gulags? How ruthless and self serving would you get? On average, not much apparently. Can't find the story now, but there was someone recounting Jewish families still hiding and hoping people aren't coming for them specifically, in towns where soldiers ended up coming for all the families. It seems like when it comes to similar decisions made individually, people aren't that keen to risk their lives.

pessimizer 1y ago

Imagine thinking the US just started sending people to torture prisons now. We had a worldwide network of black sites just to torture people, destroyed all the videotapes, pardoned all the torturers, and made the person who destroyed the tapes the head of the CIA a few years later. > once you start defying lawful orders, people are going to be scared that this same power can be used against them. I feel like people only born yesterday could say this. There has been a bipartisan push for an Executive unfettered by the legislature since 9/11, and extreme partisans just point at each other. You're both right.

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greenavocado 1y ago
Exactly. Anybody can go to Google Images and type "abu ghraib uncensored" to see how it's done.
- nativeit 1y ago
  ...or watch Adam Driver give his character a stress disorder documenting the abuses in the major motion picture "The Report". I think the CIA torture program is pretty common knowledge at this point. That said, "common knowledge" might be a misnomer at this point.

viraptor 1y ago

> Imagine what you would do if you thought weakness could leave you no recourse if you were sent to the gulags? How ruthless and self serving would you get? On average, not much apparently. Can't find the story now, but there was someone recounting Jewish families still hiding and hoping people aren't coming for them specifically, in towns where soldiers ended up coming for all the families. It seems like when it comes to similar decisions made individually, people aren't that keen to risk their lives.