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The US and Europe is tightly integrated, this integration can be used as leveraged. Especially, since we've allowed the US to play the bigger brother in most of
by jopsen 1y ago
The US and Europe is tightly integrated, this integration can be used as leveraged. Especially, since we've allowed the US to play the bigger brother in most of these relationships.
But you can only use this in a big way once. And all parties have pretty much assumed the US would never use its leverage as Trump has been doing.
The same way we dare invest in the US stock marked, because we're confident the US won't do a Cuba-style nationalization of private assets.
Obviously, the orange man is gambling EU won't decouple from the US. He might be right, this probably isn't big enough.
Decoupling all systems is expensive, it cheaper to wait 4 years.
That said, the orange man did get EU defense investment -- the investments are just not being made in the US.
Sadly, I don't think anyone will decouple, people still laugh at the idea of using LibreOffice.
- pjmlp 1y agoIf it is only four years, too many people are confident this administration is willing to bet losing elections.
- delusional 1y agoI can only imagine what's going to happen in 4 years. The current administration has opened a can of worms that is not easily closed. Once you start sending people to torture prisons, once you start defying lawful orders, people are going to be scared that this same power can be used against them. Imagine what you would do if you thought weakness could leave you no recourse if you were sent to the gulags? How ruthless and self serving would you get?
- pessimizer 1y agoImagine thinking the US just started sending people to torture prisons now. We had a worldwide network of black sites just to torture people, destroyed all the videotapes, pardoned all the torturers, and made the person who destroyed the tapes the head of the CIA a few years later. > once you start defying lawful orders, people are going to be scared that this same power can be used against them. I feel like people only born yesterday could say this. There has been a bipartisan push for an Executive unfettered by the legislature since 9/11, and extreme partisans just point at each other. You're both right.
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- greenavocado 1y agoExactly. Anybody can go to Google Images and type "abu ghraib uncensored" to see how it's done.
- nativeit 1y ago...or watch Adam Driver give his character a stress disorder documenting the abuses in the major motion picture "The Report". I think the CIA torture program is pretty common knowledge at this point. That said, "common knowledge" might be a misnomer at this point.
- viraptor 1y ago> Imagine what you would do if you thought weakness could leave you no recourse if you were sent to the gulags? How ruthless and self serving would you get? On average, not much apparently. Can't find the story now, but there was someone recounting Jewish families still hiding and hoping people aren't coming for them specifically, in towns where soldiers ended up coming for all the families. It seems like when it comes to similar decisions made individually, people aren't that keen to risk their lives.
- 9283409232 1y ago> Decoupling all systems is expensive, it cheaper to wait 4 years. People who say this haven't internalized how much shit the US is in. In the absolute best case scenario where there is a fair election and the Democrats retake the federal government, the decisions made over the next 4 years will have harrowing effects throughout the world that will take decades to recover from. In the most likely case scenario, Republicans will continue trying to expand their fascist power and suppress the judiciary and their stranglehold on Congress so they can effectively remain in power indefinitely.
- miki123211 1y agoLaughing at Libre (Open) Office is so early 2000s. Now people laugh at anything which isn't as collaborative as Google Docs.
- int_19h 1y agoEven if this admin gets booted out of WH after 4 years (and this is by no means a given!), it doesn't mean that something like them cannot get re-elected in the future. At this point, Europeans would be stupid to rely on US in any sense whatsoever. Sure, milk the cow for whatever's left while you're at it, but "this too shall pass" is not a viable long-term strategy.
- immibis 1y agoDue to the American CLOUD Act conflicting with the GDPR, it's illegal for EU businesses to store data on American clouds.
- tguvot 1y agoThe EU and US signed a new Data Privacy agreement in 2023 that allows to store EU data in USA.