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>Macbooks are winning the laptop war because of superior hardware. No. This is just you repeating marketing. No Nvidia chip = B tier at best. I have a $700 A

>Macbooks are winning the laptop war because of superior hardware. No. This is just you repeating marketing. No Nvidia chip = B tier at best. I have a $700 Asus with a 3060 that is better. Go ahead and scale up to a $2000 computer with an Nvidia chip and its so obviously better, there is nothing to debate. No one cares about performance per watt, its like someone ran a 5k race, came in 3rd and said "Well at least I burned fewer calories than the winner!"

const_cast 1y ago
> No Nvidia chip = B tier at best. Nvidia chip = 45 minutes of battery life
- guappa 1y ago
  You know they can be turned on or off depending on need right?
  - const_cast 1y ago
    Yes, but a few problems: 1. Turning them on/off ala bumblebee isn't a solved problem. It's buggy, especially on not-windows. Even on windows, it's going to be buggy especially in regards to sleep. 2. You obviously lose the advantage of a nvidia GPU that way. If you have to always have it off to get decent battery life, which you do, then it's kind of moot. If you turn it on for your 30 minute workload then there goes 70% of your battery.
    - guappa 1y ago
      And you can never ever plug it to the power grid because?
      - const_cast 1y ago
        You can, I just think it's inconvenient so I favor laptops with better battery. Besides, I almost never find myself being on the go and needing a dedicated GPU.
        guappa 1y ago
        If you're never on the go you don't even need a laptop to be fair…
- Mashimo 1y ago
  Not the one you talk to, but I'm a dev that does not need extensive battery life. All my dev computers are desktop.
jopicornell 1y ago
Well, I'll have to hardly disagree. You want a laptop that its battery life is not 1 hour at best. That wasn't a thing in Windows/Linux laptops until M1 started using arm64. 6 Hours of intense work? Good luck with that. Not only that, but being able to run very intensive work (Pro Audio, Development...) seamlessly is an absolute pleasure. Its screen is one of the best screens out there. The trackpad (and some keyboards) are an absolute pleasure. The robustness of the laptop is amazing. I don't care about the marketing of Apple, I don't buy anything new they launch, and I condemn all of their obscure pricing techniques for the tech they sell. But my M1 is rocking like the first day, after four years of daily use. That's something my Windows laptops have never delivered to me. Apple has done a lot of things wrong, and I will not buy another Apple laptop in the future, but I don't want Nvidia on a Laptop, I want it to be portable, powerful and durable. That is changing now, and it's amazing. I want my laptop to be mine, and to be able to install any OS I like. New laptops with arm64 and Intel Lake cpus are promissing, but we're not there yet, at least not that I have experienced. Each to their own for sure, and for you, the nvidia requisite is important. For me it's not about brands, but usability for my work and hobbies.
- guappa 1y ago
  I can do 6 hours of work on my 10 years old thinkpad… It's nothing special really.
  - jopicornell 1y ago
    Please tell me which laptop. Also, is it powerful enough to have it run a development environnent (docker compose/k3s with db & cachd, intellij/vscode, etc) without having issues? Genuine questions, I am no fanboy of anything
    - guappa 1y ago
      I have a Thinkpad T560 with only 8GB. I develop using docker and I use kate with python3-pylsp for completion. And of course the occasional zoom/teams. Instead of slack I normally use localslackirc, so that alone probably saves a ton of battery rather than using the electron one. When I compile a lot I still manage to get half a day on battery. If I want to save power I just ssh to a server and do everything there :) edit: that model has also hotswap battery so if you really really need more battery life you can buy a spare.
mattl 1y ago
Why would I need an Nvidia chip in my laptop?
- kasabali 1y ago
  For some groundbreaking Artificial Intelligence work, obviously. In reality, he probably just want to play CS2 :D

const_cast 1y ago

> No Nvidia chip = B tier at best. Nvidia chip = 45 minutes of battery life

guappa 1y ago
You know they can be turned on or off depending on need right?
- const_cast 1y ago
  Yes, but a few problems: 1. Turning them on/off ala bumblebee isn't a solved problem. It's buggy, especially on not-windows. Even on windows, it's going to be buggy especially in regards to sleep. 2. You obviously lose the advantage of a nvidia GPU that way. If you have to always have it off to get decent battery life, which you do, then it's kind of moot. If you turn it on for your 30 minute workload then there goes 70% of your battery.
  - guappa 1y ago
    And you can never ever plug it to the power grid because?
    - const_cast 1y ago
      You can, I just think it's inconvenient so I favor laptops with better battery. Besides, I almost never find myself being on the go and needing a dedicated GPU.
      - guappa 1y ago
        If you're never on the go you don't even need a laptop to be fair…
Mashimo 1y ago
Not the one you talk to, but I'm a dev that does not need extensive battery life. All my dev computers are desktop.

jopicornell 1y ago

Well, I'll have to hardly disagree. You want a laptop that its battery life is not 1 hour at best. That wasn't a thing in Windows/Linux laptops until M1 started using arm64. 6 Hours of intense work? Good luck with that. Not only that, but being able to run very intensive work (Pro Audio, Development...) seamlessly is an absolute pleasure. Its screen is one of the best screens out there. The trackpad (and some keyboards) are an absolute pleasure. The robustness of the laptop is amazing. I don't care about the marketing of Apple, I don't buy anything new they launch, and I condemn all of their obscure pricing techniques for the tech they sell. But my M1 is rocking like the first day, after four years of daily use. That's something my Windows laptops have never delivered to me. Apple has done a lot of things wrong, and I will not buy another Apple laptop in the future, but I don't want Nvidia on a Laptop, I want it to be portable, powerful and durable. That is changing now, and it's amazing. I want my laptop to be mine, and to be able to install any OS I like. New laptops with arm64 and Intel Lake cpus are promissing, but we're not there yet, at least not that I have experienced. Each to their own for sure, and for you, the nvidia requisite is important. For me it's not about brands, but usability for my work and hobbies.

guappa 1y ago
I can do 6 hours of work on my 10 years old thinkpad… It's nothing special really.
- jopicornell 1y ago
  Please tell me which laptop. Also, is it powerful enough to have it run a development environnent (docker compose/k3s with db & cachd, intellij/vscode, etc) without having issues? Genuine questions, I am no fanboy of anything
  - guappa 1y ago
    I have a Thinkpad T560 with only 8GB. I develop using docker and I use kate with python3-pylsp for completion. And of course the occasional zoom/teams. Instead of slack I normally use localslackirc, so that alone probably saves a ton of battery rather than using the electron one. When I compile a lot I still manage to get half a day on battery. If I want to save power I just ssh to a server and do everything there :) edit: that model has also hotswap battery so if you really really need more battery life you can buy a spare.

mattl 1y ago

Why would I need an Nvidia chip in my laptop?

kasabali 1y ago
For some groundbreaking Artificial Intelligence work, obviously. In reality, he probably just want to play CS2 :D