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From talking to colleagues at Microsoft it's a very management-driven push, not developer-driven. Friend on an Azure team had a team member who was nearly put o
by mjr00 1y ago
From talking to colleagues at Microsoft it's a very management-driven push, not developer-driven. Friend on an Azure team had a team member who was nearly put on a PIP because they refused to install the internal AI coding assistant. Every manager has "number of developers using AI" as an OKR, but anecdotally most devs are installing the AI assistant and not using it or using it very occasionally. Allegedly it's pretty terrible at C# and PowerShell which limits its usefulness at MS.
- shepherdjerred 1y ago[flagged]
- evantbyrne 1y agoIt's just tooling. Costs nothing to wait for it to be better. It's not like you're going miss out on AGI. The cost of actually testing every slop code generator is non-trivial.
- mjr00 1y agoWhat does this have to do with my comment? Did you mean to reply to someone else? I don't understand what this has to do with AI adoption at MS (and Google/AWS, while we're at it) being management-driven.
- antihipocrat 1y agoThat's exactly what senior executives who aren't coding are saying everywhere. Meanwhile, engineers are using it for code completion and as a Google search alternative. I don't see much difference here at all, the only habit to change is learning to trust an AI solution as much as a Stack Overflow answer. Though the benefit of SO is each comment is timestamped and there are alternative takes, corrections, caveats in the comments.
- AdieuToLogic 1y ago> I don't see much difference here at all, the only habit to change is learning to trust an AI solution as much as a Stack Overflow answer. Though the benefit of SO is each comment is timestamped and there are alternative takes, corrections, caveats in the comments. That's a pretty big benefit, considering the feedback was by people presumably with relevant expertise/experience to contribute (in the pre-LLM before-time).
- skydhash 1y agoThe comments have the same value as the answers themselves. Kinda like annotations and errata on a book. It's like seeing "See $algorithm in The Art of Programming V1" in a comment before a complex code.
- k3liutZu 1y ago> Meanwhile, engineers are using it for code completion and as a Google search alternative. Yep, that's the usefulness right now.
- shakes_mcjunkie 1y agoIn my experience it's far less useful than simple auto complete. It makes things up for even small amounts of code that I have to pause my flow to correct. Also, without actually googling you don't get any context or understanding of what it's writing.
- antihipocrat 1y agoI found it to be more distracting recently. Suggestions that are too long or written in a different style make me lose my own thread of logic that I'm trying to weave . I've had to switch it off for periods to maintain flow.
- rsoto2 1y agoAIs are boring
- adamsb6 1y agoThere's a large group of people that claim that AI tools are no good and I can't tell if they're in some niche where they truly aren't, they don't care to put any effort into learning the tools, or they're simply in denial.
- Tteriffic 1y agoSome of each
- GenshoTikamura 1y agoOr simply unwilling to cut their perfectly good legs off and attach those overhyped prostheses that make people so fast and furious at running on the spot
- ukuina 1y agoLikely a Five Worlds scenario. https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/05/06/five-worlds/ https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/05/06/five-worlds/
- Remnant44 1y agoMan, I miss Joel's blog. So much developer wisdom that is still relevant even if aged now.
- karn97 1y agoA bwtter stack exchange search isn't that revolutionary