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We need Europeans need to rid ourselves from American big tech used in government functions. This is simply unacceptable.
by chvid 1y ago
We need Europeans need to rid ourselves from American big tech used in government functions. This is simply unacceptable.
- ajsnigrutin 1y agoEU can't even solve some tracking cookies, how will they/we create an europeran (-alternative to-) google?
- immibis 1y agoThey did solve them. Whenever you click on a search result and get e cookie popup, you go back and try another one.
- ajsnigrutin 1y agoThat's not solved, that's a bothersome thing that wastes millions of man hours and does nothing in the end. Mandating browsers (preinstalled on devices sold in EU) auto-delete cookies on window close, and add a button to whitelist 1st party cookies on specific domains, would solve many more problems without wasting time with annoying popups.
- somanyphotons 1y agoIt's also the only way for the EU to jumpstart it's own silicon valley. Look at how silicon valley was bootstrapped through government expenditure.
- PaulHoule 1y agoI want to see: (1) an open source privacy first web browser engine funded by the EU and (2) EU to mandate interoperability in "chat" and video conferencing applications.
- charcircuit 1y agoChromium is already a suitable open source browser engine that a privacy focused browser product could be built on top of.
- monocasa 1y agoOr Firefox.
- jopsen 1y agoForking it and setting up the CI for all tests, monitoring performance regression, etc -- no thanks. Having worked on Firefox CI infrastructure years ago, it's a huge and complex setup. As I recall back then it was >100 compute hours per push. Fork it and keep synching in from upstream, sure that's easy. But are you an independent browser?
- hello_computer 1y agoweb is bursting with abuses. euros like to regulate. if they regulate & enforce-away the abuses, the browser could be made far far simpler.
- int_19h 1y ago> EU to mandate interoperability in "chat" and video conferencing applications. reply I rather suspect that this would come with mandatory encryption backdoors.
- megous 1y agoNo, I don't want EU tech VC oligarchy. I just want to avoid big tech SaaS regardless of where it's from. I've been quite happy with smaller local services for a loong time. Started using them in 2004 when I got my first website and aside from short try of gmail when it was still free, always used them.
- m463 1y agoAmericans would like the same thing. Just off the top of my head, accessing the IRS website (taxes) gets tracked by google. Windows keeps trying to pull everything online. Americans don't get separate apple app stores. It goes on and on.
- Andrex 1y agoHonestly, Microsoft needs to stay the hell away from the US Gov, too. https://arstechnica.com/security/2024/01/microsoft-network-breached-through-password-spraying-by-russian-state-hackers/ https://arstechnica.com/security/2024/01/microsoft-network-b...
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- jopsen 1y agoThe US and Europe is tightly integrated, this integration can be used as leveraged. Especially, since we've allowed the US to play the bigger brother in most of these relationships. But you can only use this in a big way once. And all parties have pretty much assumed the US would never use its leverage as Trump has been doing. The same way we dare invest in the US stock marked, because we're confident the US won't do a Cuba-style nationalization of private assets. Obviously, the orange man is gambling EU won't decouple from the US. He might be right, this probably isn't big enough. Decoupling all systems is expensive, it cheaper to wait 4 years. That said, the orange man did get EU defense investment -- the investments are just not being made in the US. Sadly, I don't think anyone will decouple, people still laugh at the idea of using LibreOffice.
- pjmlp 1y agoIf it is only four years, too many people are confident this administration is willing to bet losing elections.
- delusional 1y agoI can only imagine what's going to happen in 4 years. The current administration has opened a can of worms that is not easily closed. Once you start sending people to torture prisons, once you start defying lawful orders, people are going to be scared that this same power can be used against them. Imagine what you would do if you thought weakness could leave you no recourse if you were sent to the gulags? How ruthless and self serving would you get?
- pessimizer 1y agoImagine thinking the US just started sending people to torture prisons now. We had a worldwide network of black sites just to torture people, destroyed all the videotapes, pardoned all the torturers, and made the person who destroyed the tapes the head of the CIA a few years later. > once you start defying lawful orders, people are going to be scared that this same power can be used against them. I feel like people only born yesterday could say this. There has been a bipartisan push for an Executive unfettered by the legislature since 9/11, and extreme partisans just point at each other. You're both right.
- GoblinSlayer 1y agoUSA threatened to sanction dedollarization, it can sanction selfhosting for the same reason. Karim Khan's bank accounts were frozen too - that's not microsoft.
- karel-3d 1y agoYeah let's say "we need" instead of actually implementing :)