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Manifesting is not that wacky. Of course, you are not going to write down that you will win the lottery and then win. But most people are their own worst enem

Manifesting is not that wacky. Of course, you are not going to write down that you will win the lottery and then win. But most people are their own worst enemy and self limiting to some extent. Focusing on what you want in life, and affirming it to yourself over and over, is effectively a way to brain wash yourself to change your own self limiting behavior and it’s not surprising that this is often successful.

phlipski 1y ago
I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me!
- HK-NC 1y ago
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tim333 1y ago
Also telling other people can help as some of them may be able to help you get there.
ActorNightly 1y ago
Figuring on what you actually want in life and working towards that is productive, yes. But that's mild compared to what he says. He basically says he can influence the stock market with affirmations. You should read the chapters. https://www.scribd.com/doc/156175634/the-dilbert-future-pdf https://www.scribd.com/doc/156175634/the-dilbert-future-pdf. Starts on 218.
- teddyh 1y ago
  > He basically says he can influence the stock market with affirmations. He does not say that. > Starts on 218. Actually it’s page 246.
  - dsizzle 1y ago
    More like he says the affirmations result in stock market premonitions. For example, he said after his "I will get rich in the stock market" manifestation he woke up in the middle of the night thinking "buy Chrysler" before it went on a rally.
    - XenophileJKO 1y ago
      I mean if the affirmations make your brain, both conscious and unconscious, fixate on thinking about market conditions and purchasing opportunities, this passes my smell test. A premonition is a fancy name for an unconscious prediction. Now does are the predictions "good", that is a completely different story. Probably depends on the information going in.
      - robocat 1y ago
        > A premonition is a fancy name for an unconscious prediction The problem with woo is you can always add more woo (bonus points if it has sciencey glitter). Goes from woowoo to woowoowoo. Woo has no logical consistency and has nothing predictably predictive. Ask manifestation believers why they are not successful or rich or whatever? You'll hear some fabulous reasons. My neighbour paid money (I presume thousands) to do courses on learning how to unblock herself. The stated reason for the failure to manifest was due to blocks. Her explanation of the material was outrageous. I have yet to see the positive effect on her. I don't manifest, yet I've got things others would like to manifest. Not sure there that fits in with the woo.
        aaronbaugher 1y ago
        I knew a bunch of people who were really into the "Law of Attraction" woowoo manifestation stuff back in the mid-2000s. That was a good time for it, especially for suburban middle-class American folks like these, for whom life was generally pretty great. When your life is going great, believing that you manifested it just shows how awesome you are and how much the Universe likes you. But after some time goes by and you get pinched in the mortgage crash, or your wife hits you with a divorce, or you get cancer, if you really believe you manifest everything into your life, then you have to believe you manifested the bad stuff too. So why did you do that to yourself? It's a rough belief system then.
- JoeyJoJoJr 1y ago
  Can you provide some quotes?
  - ActorNightly 1y ago
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    - mikestew 1y ago
      Don’t give people homework, give them URLs to back your assertions. Surely one friggin’ quote isn’t too much to ask.
      - ActorNightly 1y ago
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    - JoeyJoJoJr 1y ago
      Until you provide some substantiation you are just making baseless claims. Edit: BTW, you can’t copy the text on that PDF.
- netsharc 1y ago
  As Carl Sagan wrote in The Demon-Haunted World, millions of people probably prayed earnestly for God to save their king/queen, but kings and queens don't live beyond the average lifespans of humans... If you want to read a book that's closer to how the universe actually works, and how your mind should operate, read it: https://archive.org/details/B-001-001-709 https://archive.org/details/B-001-001-709
  - bell-cot 1y ago
    > ... millions of people probably prayed earnestly for God to save ... Plausibly quite true. But given (1) how often the succession turned violent after a monarch died, and (2) how very little power the average person had - I'd say such prayers were entirely reasonable. If they made "life in the lower 99%" just 1% more bearable, that'd be a worthwhile RoI. Demon-Haunted World is a book worth reading...but Carl often seems to forget that 99% of humans are neither huge science geeks (as he is), nor rationalist robots.
  - cladopa 1y ago
    To be fair, that is not a very valid argument, given that for any given King/Queen, they will be millions on the other side wanting this given person to die. E.g when the Spanish Empire ruled the world, the British were not very happy about that. With the British Empire, the French and the Germans fought them with every opportunity.
    - jakeydus 1y ago
      That's true, for every prayer I say for my monarch I include a note asking for my enemy's monarch to die!
      - b112 1y ago
        I can see this being true, but so many monarchs were related, it's kind of weird.
    - lupusreal 1y ago
      I don't believe it, but it could also be the case that the God is wiser than everybody praying for their monarch to have an unnaturally long life, and knows that monarchs dying in a regular sort of way is best for the kingdom. I'm an atheist, but many of the arguments put forth by atheists seem very lame to me.
- paulddraper 1y ago
  Page 246 And yes, that is basically what he says. With infinite possible universes, you can guide which universe becomes your reality through affirmations. Wacky perhaps, but the philosophies of consciousness and quantum mechanics are kinda wacky too... --- On a relevant point, he talks about curing cancer.
ofalkaed 1y ago
If you actually did it it would not be a simple affirmation for long, your mind will quickly start to wander as the act of writing the same thing over and over becomes more automatic and what your mind will wander towards is what you are writing and staring at. The brainwashing that is happening is that of brainwashing you to set aside a part of your day for sustained focused thought on your goals, something most people seem to have never learned, they learned to ask their guidance concealer and google and internet forums but never themselves.
- codr7 1y ago
  Depends on how well trained your mind is. Some minds only think when asked to.
Lerc 1y ago
It has a degree of benefit in helping you identify focus, but much of the purported benefits come from having the skills required to obtain your goals being quite correlated with the ability to do a chosen task every single day. A lot of time has past since I read Scott Adams view on manifesting. I got a decent way through before I realised it wasn't satire. It did seem clear to me that he was advocating a form of manifesting that went beyond either of those principles. That benefits came from manifesting in ways that no-other influence from yourself would be possible. That's essentially declaring it to be magic. Psychology I can believe, if you want me to believe in magic you're going to need a bit more. From the point of view of an ADHD person, it doesn't surprise me at all that someone who had the ability to do a dumb task like manifesting would also have the ability to do meaningful things that that I find nearly impossible.

phlipski 1y ago

I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me!

HK-NC 1y ago
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tim333 1y ago

Also telling other people can help as some of them may be able to help you get there.

ActorNightly 1y ago

Figuring on what you actually want in life and working towards that is productive, yes. But that's mild compared to what he says. He basically says he can influence the stock market with affirmations. You should read the chapters. https://www.scribd.com/doc/156175634/the-dilbert-future-pdf https://www.scribd.com/doc/156175634/the-dilbert-future-pdf. Starts on 218.

teddyh 1y ago
> He basically says he can influence the stock market with affirmations. He does not say that. > Starts on 218. Actually it’s page 246.
- dsizzle 1y ago
  More like he says the affirmations result in stock market premonitions. For example, he said after his "I will get rich in the stock market" manifestation he woke up in the middle of the night thinking "buy Chrysler" before it went on a rally.
  - XenophileJKO 1y ago
    I mean if the affirmations make your brain, both conscious and unconscious, fixate on thinking about market conditions and purchasing opportunities, this passes my smell test. A premonition is a fancy name for an unconscious prediction. Now does are the predictions "good", that is a completely different story. Probably depends on the information going in.
    - robocat 1y ago
      > A premonition is a fancy name for an unconscious prediction The problem with woo is you can always add more woo (bonus points if it has sciencey glitter). Goes from woowoo to woowoowoo. Woo has no logical consistency and has nothing predictably predictive. Ask manifestation believers why they are not successful or rich or whatever? You'll hear some fabulous reasons. My neighbour paid money (I presume thousands) to do courses on learning how to unblock herself. The stated reason for the failure to manifest was due to blocks. Her explanation of the material was outrageous. I have yet to see the positive effect on her. I don't manifest, yet I've got things others would like to manifest. Not sure there that fits in with the woo.
      - aaronbaugher 1y ago
        I knew a bunch of people who were really into the "Law of Attraction" woowoo manifestation stuff back in the mid-2000s. That was a good time for it, especially for suburban middle-class American folks like these, for whom life was generally pretty great. When your life is going great, believing that you manifested it just shows how awesome you are and how much the Universe likes you. But after some time goes by and you get pinched in the mortgage crash, or your wife hits you with a divorce, or you get cancer, if you really believe you manifest everything into your life, then you have to believe you manifested the bad stuff too. So why did you do that to yourself? It's a rough belief system then.
JoeyJoJoJr 1y ago
Can you provide some quotes?
- ActorNightly 1y ago
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  - mikestew 1y ago
    Don’t give people homework, give them URLs to back your assertions. Surely one friggin’ quote isn’t too much to ask.
    - ActorNightly 1y ago
      [flagged]
  - JoeyJoJoJr 1y ago
    Until you provide some substantiation you are just making baseless claims. Edit: BTW, you can’t copy the text on that PDF.
netsharc 1y ago
As Carl Sagan wrote in The Demon-Haunted World, millions of people probably prayed earnestly for God to save their king/queen, but kings and queens don't live beyond the average lifespans of humans... If you want to read a book that's closer to how the universe actually works, and how your mind should operate, read it: https://archive.org/details/B-001-001-709 https://archive.org/details/B-001-001-709
- bell-cot 1y ago
  > ... millions of people probably prayed earnestly for God to save ... Plausibly quite true. But given (1) how often the succession turned violent after a monarch died, and (2) how very little power the average person had - I'd say such prayers were entirely reasonable. If they made "life in the lower 99%" just 1% more bearable, that'd be a worthwhile RoI. Demon-Haunted World is a book worth reading...but Carl often seems to forget that 99% of humans are neither huge science geeks (as he is), nor rationalist robots.
- cladopa 1y ago
  To be fair, that is not a very valid argument, given that for any given King/Queen, they will be millions on the other side wanting this given person to die. E.g when the Spanish Empire ruled the world, the British were not very happy about that. With the British Empire, the French and the Germans fought them with every opportunity.
  - jakeydus 1y ago
    That's true, for every prayer I say for my monarch I include a note asking for my enemy's monarch to die!
    - b112 1y ago
      I can see this being true, but so many monarchs were related, it's kind of weird.
  - lupusreal 1y ago
    I don't believe it, but it could also be the case that the God is wiser than everybody praying for their monarch to have an unnaturally long life, and knows that monarchs dying in a regular sort of way is best for the kingdom. I'm an atheist, but many of the arguments put forth by atheists seem very lame to me.
paulddraper 1y ago
Page 246 And yes, that is basically what he says. With infinite possible universes, you can guide which universe becomes your reality through affirmations. Wacky perhaps, but the philosophies of consciousness and quantum mechanics are kinda wacky too... --- On a relevant point, he talks about curing cancer.

ofalkaed 1y ago

If you actually did it it would not be a simple affirmation for long, your mind will quickly start to wander as the act of writing the same thing over and over becomes more automatic and what your mind will wander towards is what you are writing and staring at. The brainwashing that is happening is that of brainwashing you to set aside a part of your day for sustained focused thought on your goals, something most people seem to have never learned, they learned to ask their guidance concealer and google and internet forums but never themselves.

codr7 1y ago
Depends on how well trained your mind is. Some minds only think when asked to.

Lerc 1y ago

It has a degree of benefit in helping you identify focus, but much of the purported benefits come from having the skills required to obtain your goals being quite correlated with the ability to do a chosen task every single day. A lot of time has past since I read Scott Adams view on manifesting. I got a decent way through before I realised it wasn't satire. It did seem clear to me that he was advocating a form of manifesting that went beyond either of those principles. That benefits came from manifesting in ways that no-other influence from yourself would be possible. That's essentially declaring it to be magic. Psychology I can believe, if you want me to believe in magic you're going to need a bit more. From the point of view of an ADHD person, it doesn't surprise me at all that someone who had the ability to do a dumb task like manifesting would also have the ability to do meaningful things that that I find nearly impossible.