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I don't need new reasons to hate Linux. Like I said, I have moved to macbooks as my personal computing device because of the better hardware. > solved a while

I don't need new reasons to hate Linux. Like I said, I have moved to macbooks as my personal computing device because of the better hardware. > solved a while ago Can not be the case because I was facing these issues less than a couple of years ago. I was responding to the "Stockholm syndrome" comment specifically because there are a number of hardware and software problems (e.g. https://jayfax.neocities.org/mediocrity/gnome-has-no-thumbnails-in-the-file-picker https://jayfax.neocities.org/mediocrity/gnome-has-no-thumbna...) with using linux as a desktop operating system that linux users have to find their way around, so I found the comment rather full of irony. PS: I already know that the file-picker issue has been fixed. That does not take away from the fact that it was in fact broken for decades. It is only meant as an example.

fsflover 1y ago
> Can not be the case because I was facing these issues less than a couple of years ago Just like with Mac and Windows, you choose the supported hardware, and everything is flawless.
- frollogaston 1y ago
  If there's some set of fully Linux-capable laptops out there, it's a small subset of the Windows-capable ones. And it's not clear what the Linux ones are. Like, our dept ordered officially Linux-supported Thinkpads for whoever wanted them, and turns out they still have unsolved Bluetooth audio problems. Those people use wired headphones now.
  - trelane 1y ago
    This is true. Until people pay reliably for Linux hardware instead of Windows, that will always be the case, just as it is for Mac. Just like Mac, though, the key is to buy from a vendor that ships hardware designed for Linux, with Linux preinstalled, and with support for Linux. Unlike, Mac, though, Linux won't block you from installing it on Windows hardware, so it's not as obvious that you're on your own.
- alex_smart 1y ago
  And what is supported hardware here? What even is "support"?
  - frollogaston 1y ago
    As far as I can tell, Chromebooks are the only truly supported GNU/Linux laptops.
    - trelane 1y ago
      System76 is my go-to. There are others. You can even get some major vendors (Dell, Lenovo) to ship with Linux preinstalled, though I don't know if the firmware or chips diverge from the Windows variants.
  - fsflover 1y ago
    I'm writing this from Purism Librem 14, which works flawlessly, including suspend. There's also System76, Framework and more. See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32964519 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32964519.
  - LtWorf 1y ago
    Basically any thinkpad

fsflover 1y ago

> Can not be the case because I was facing these issues less than a couple of years ago Just like with Mac and Windows, you choose the supported hardware, and everything is flawless.

frollogaston 1y ago
If there's some set of fully Linux-capable laptops out there, it's a small subset of the Windows-capable ones. And it's not clear what the Linux ones are. Like, our dept ordered officially Linux-supported Thinkpads for whoever wanted them, and turns out they still have unsolved Bluetooth audio problems. Those people use wired headphones now.
- trelane 1y ago
  This is true. Until people pay reliably for Linux hardware instead of Windows, that will always be the case, just as it is for Mac. Just like Mac, though, the key is to buy from a vendor that ships hardware designed for Linux, with Linux preinstalled, and with support for Linux. Unlike, Mac, though, Linux won't block you from installing it on Windows hardware, so it's not as obvious that you're on your own.
alex_smart 1y ago
And what is supported hardware here? What even is "support"?
- frollogaston 1y ago
  As far as I can tell, Chromebooks are the only truly supported GNU/Linux laptops.
  - trelane 1y ago
    System76 is my go-to. There are others. You can even get some major vendors (Dell, Lenovo) to ship with Linux preinstalled, though I don't know if the firmware or chips diverge from the Windows variants.
- fsflover 1y ago
  I'm writing this from Purism Librem 14, which works flawlessly, including suspend. There's also System76, Framework and more. See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32964519 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32964519.
- LtWorf 1y ago
  Basically any thinkpad