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more context from the claude code team: http://latent.space/p/claude-code http://latent.space/p/claude-code you can skim the transcript but some personal highl

by swyx 1y ago

more context from the claude code team: http://latent.space/p/claude-code http://latent.space/p/claude-code you can skim the transcript but some personal highlights: - anthropic employees, with unlimited claude, average to $6/day of usage - headless claude code as a "linux" utility that you use everywhere in CI is pretty compelling - claude code as a user extensible platform - future roadmap of claude code: sandboxing, branching, planning - sonnet 3.7 as a persistent, agentic model

ipsum2 1y ago
Maybe I'm holding it wrong, but I can easily spend $20+ using Claude Code for 2 hours. I've stopped using it because it was too expensive for my personal projects.
- d_watt 1y ago
  Claude max plan has Claude code bundled into the price. $100/month isn't cheap, but the RoI is there for me personally.
  - ipsum2 1y ago
    Thanks, I was just commenting on "- anthropic employees, with unlimited claude, average to $6/day of usage".
  - ttcbj 1y ago
    Thanks, this is helpful. I tried Claude Code, and thought it had a lot of potential, but I was on track to spend at least $20/day. For a tool that radically increases productivity (say 2x), I think it could still make sense for a VC funded startup or an established company (even $100/day or $36k/year is still a lot less than hiring another developer). But for a side project or bootstrap effort, $36k/year obviously significantly increases cash expenses. $100/month does not, however. So, I'm going to go back and upgrade to Max and try it again. If that keeps my costs to $100/month, thats a really different value proposition.
  - buzzerbetrayed 1y ago
    Can you clarify what you mean here? Are you saying I can use Claude Code for a flat rate of $100/month? What are the limits? What if I use more than $100 worth of Code in a month? Their website doesn't seem to make it clear. Edit: Found the answer to my own questions > Send approximately 50-200 prompts with Claude Code every 5 hours[1] Damn. That's a really good deal [1] https://support.anthropic.com/en/articles/11145838-using-claude-code-with-your-max-plan https://support.anthropic.com/en/articles/11145838-using-cla...
    - darkteflon 1y ago
      Really tempted to go for this as well. Only wish I could access flat rate Claude through VS Code Cline (or an extension like it) as well - that would be the complete package. $100 / month + ~$$ / day in API credits is gonna get pricey.
    - adefa 1y ago
      I have been using Claude Code a lot since the Max plan change and I've never hit the limits myself.
- jasonjmcghee 1y ago
  I briefly commented on how I approach cost control before, if useful. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43737060 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43737060
  - ipsum2 1y ago
    Great advice, thanks.
  - Wowfunhappy 1y ago
    But that doesn't really explain things. You're making an active effort to reduce your costs. Anthropic engineers get unlimited API usage for free. I was listening to this podcast yesterday and I also did a double take when I heard the $6 per day number.
- sagarpatil 1y ago
  Why not use Claude Max Plan? Starts at $100.
- sumeno 1y ago
  Maybe engineers at Anthropic use it less because they fully understand the limitations and drawbacks
philosophty 1y ago
"- anthropic employees, with unlimited claude, average to $6/day of usage" From the link: "Apparently, there are some engineers inside of Anthropic that have spent >$1,000 in one day!" The question is what is the P50, P75, and P95 spend per employee?
- thesurlydev 1y ago
  Agree. That would be a great insight as well as what type of activities cause the explosion in spend.
  - swyx 1y ago
    they probably wouldnt share so i didnt ask
big_toast 1y ago
I’ve really enjoyed the recent latent space podcasts. I don’t think there is any person†/podcast (or perhaps other content) approaching your general output while maintaining the high SNR. I am continually amazed at the volume and value of public work you’re producing over the last (half?) decade while still growing various businesses. I hope others can find similar productivity gradients. I know you roughly share what works for you but it is not so easy to reproduce. † simonw, gwern
- swyx 1y ago
  thanks man, this was nice to read :) idk if it helps but my principles (tm) are here http://learninpublic.org/ http://learninpublic.org/ i do feel like SNR * quantity could be higher, but its still a challenge to even keep it where it is today. my work life balance/stress levels aren't the best and everyone expects everything from me.
- re5i5tor 1y ago
  Agree 100%
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shostack 1y ago
How neutral was the podcast vs being a sales pitch for this?

by swyx 1y ago

ipsum2 1y ago

Maybe I'm holding it wrong, but I can easily spend $20+ using Claude Code for 2 hours. I've stopped using it because it was too expensive for my personal projects.

d_watt 1y ago
Claude max plan has Claude code bundled into the price. $100/month isn't cheap, but the RoI is there for me personally.
- ipsum2 1y ago
  Thanks, I was just commenting on "- anthropic employees, with unlimited claude, average to $6/day of usage".
- ttcbj 1y ago
  Thanks, this is helpful. I tried Claude Code, and thought it had a lot of potential, but I was on track to spend at least $20/day. For a tool that radically increases productivity (say 2x), I think it could still make sense for a VC funded startup or an established company (even $100/day or $36k/year is still a lot less than hiring another developer). But for a side project or bootstrap effort, $36k/year obviously significantly increases cash expenses. $100/month does not, however. So, I'm going to go back and upgrade to Max and try it again. If that keeps my costs to $100/month, thats a really different value proposition.
- buzzerbetrayed 1y ago
  Can you clarify what you mean here? Are you saying I can use Claude Code for a flat rate of $100/month? What are the limits? What if I use more than $100 worth of Code in a month? Their website doesn't seem to make it clear. Edit: Found the answer to my own questions > Send approximately 50-200 prompts with Claude Code every 5 hours[1] Damn. That's a really good deal [1] https://support.anthropic.com/en/articles/11145838-using-claude-code-with-your-max-plan https://support.anthropic.com/en/articles/11145838-using-cla...
  - darkteflon 1y ago
    Really tempted to go for this as well. Only wish I could access flat rate Claude through VS Code Cline (or an extension like it) as well - that would be the complete package. $100 / month + ~$$ / day in API credits is gonna get pricey.
  - adefa 1y ago
    I have been using Claude Code a lot since the Max plan change and I've never hit the limits myself.
jasonjmcghee 1y ago
I briefly commented on how I approach cost control before, if useful. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43737060 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43737060
- ipsum2 1y ago
  Great advice, thanks.
- Wowfunhappy 1y ago
  But that doesn't really explain things. You're making an active effort to reduce your costs. Anthropic engineers get unlimited API usage for free. I was listening to this podcast yesterday and I also did a double take when I heard the $6 per day number.
sagarpatil 1y ago
Why not use Claude Max Plan? Starts at $100.
sumeno 1y ago
Maybe engineers at Anthropic use it less because they fully understand the limitations and drawbacks

philosophty 1y ago

"- anthropic employees, with unlimited claude, average to $6/day of usage" From the link: "Apparently, there are some engineers inside of Anthropic that have spent >$1,000 in one day!" The question is what is the P50, P75, and P95 spend per employee?

thesurlydev 1y ago
Agree. That would be a great insight as well as what type of activities cause the explosion in spend.
- swyx 1y ago
  they probably wouldnt share so i didnt ask

big_toast 1y ago

I’ve really enjoyed the recent latent space podcasts. I don’t think there is any person†/podcast (or perhaps other content) approaching your general output while maintaining the high SNR. I am continually amazed at the volume and value of public work you’re producing over the last (half?) decade while still growing various businesses. I hope others can find similar productivity gradients. I know you roughly share what works for you but it is not so easy to reproduce. † simonw, gwern

swyx 1y ago
thanks man, this was nice to read :) idk if it helps but my principles (tm) are here http://learninpublic.org/ http://learninpublic.org/ i do feel like SNR * quantity could be higher, but its still a challenge to even keep it where it is today. my work life balance/stress levels aren't the best and everyone expects everything from me.
re5i5tor 1y ago
Agree 100%

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shostack 1y ago

How neutral was the podcast vs being a sales pitch for this?