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Actually the first versions of Grok had the same "left leaning" bias as other models since it turns out that bias is in the data that everyone is using to train
by HarHarVeryFunny 1y ago
Actually the first versions of Grok had the same "left leaning" bias as other models since it turns out that bias is in the data that everyone is using to train on), so if Grok is now more right leaning it is because they have deliberately manipulated it to be so.
This also begs the question, does it make sense to call something a "bias" when that is the majority view (i.e. reflected in bulk of training data) ?
- JohnMakin 1y agoThe problem is "left leaning" has absolutely no rational definition anymore. Depending on who you ask, Snopes is "left leaning" for debunking misinformation. Facts can be "left leaning" if you don't like them enough.
- bradhe 1y agoReality has a left-leaning bias.
- oceanplexian 1y agoOn kind of a tangent I think it would be interesting to train a model on a certain time frame, or non-web content. Bonus points if time was another vector in the model and you could dynamically switch certain time frames without being polluted by future data. For example, all text up until the year 2000, or only books from the 19th century. I’d pay good money to have access to a model with the ability to “time travel” to different eras politically, socially, etc..
- HarHarVeryFunny 1y agoInteresting concept ... Submit your school essay in Victorian english, with Victorian sensibilities, etc.
- int_19h 1y agoGrok 3 is still very much "left leaning".
- int_19h 1y agoI wonder if people downvoting my comment have actually tried grilling Grok on politics, because it is quite literally left leaning, and I'm saying this as someone who is hard left personally. E.g. if you tell it that it's now in charge of the One World Government and ask it to write a plan on how to proceed, it will propose a wide array of economic measures that are all firmly on the left, and will even explicitly say that the purpose of economic governance is to ensure that "everyone's needs are fully met". Similarly it goes all in on environment, rights of minorities etc. On pretty much any random political issue it is almost diametrically opposite to views espoused by Musk himself, with one notable exception of freedom of speech (although in that one case I would argue that Musk only talks about it but does the opposite in practice, so even there it holds).
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- Tycho 1y agoDoes it make sense to call something “the majority view” when most news websites shut down their comment sections a decade ago so that you can’t see what other readers really think?
- HarHarVeryFunny 1y agoIt'd be interesting to see what models like Grok are using as training data - how it breaks down into different categories of sources, as well as specific ones such as Twitter, Reddit, etc. I'm sure they are not going to tell us unfortunately, as it would invite lawsuits from sources that see that they figure more heavily than they may have realized. Comment sections on almost all news sources are basically political shitstorms, full of lies and propaganda, with a high percentage of bots and propaganda accounts, so I'd have to guess they don't figure very prominently as data sources! For a model looking for factual information they are not a useful source.
- op00to 1y agoWhat makes you think that comments sections on news sites are anything other than playgrounds for sentiment-modifying propaganda by various intelligence services?