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I don't think Microsoft losing the mind share has anything to do with software. Macbooks are winning the laptop war because of superior hardware.

pathartl 1y ago
Superior hardware with terrible software. Also they straight up artificially limit their hardware so they don't cannibalize their sales, which is slightly understandable, but they do it in the dumbest ways. My SOs MacBook Air can only do one external monitor, even though it has the same specs as her work Pro. Oh and good luck actually getting that external display to work, I swear only like 50% of USB-C docks work on the platform.
- microtonal 1y ago
  My SOs MacBook Air can only do one external monitor, The MacBook Air M4 supports two external displays now (with the lid open): https://support.apple.com/guide/macbook-air/use-an-external-display-apd8cdd74f57/mac https://support.apple.com/guide/macbook-air/use-an-external-... My SOs MacBook Air can only do one external monitor, even though it has the same specs as her work Pro. The MacBook Pro with the non-Pro/Max chip (i.e. MacBook Pro M3) has the same limitations as the corresponding MacBook Air (i.e. MacBook Air M3).
- gapan 1y ago
  > Superior hardware with terrible software. Funny how that was the other way around just a few years ago. Macs had inferior hardware, but they were supposed to have better software. At least that's what the Mac users claimed.
  - guappa 1y ago
    I fell for that, years ago. No the software wasn't superior either. I remember having to manually install codecs, which on linux had been a problem many many years before but had been solved already.
resource_waste 1y ago
>Macbooks are winning the laptop war because of superior hardware. No. This is just you repeating marketing. No Nvidia chip = B tier at best. I have a $700 Asus with a 3060 that is better. Go ahead and scale up to a $2000 computer with an Nvidia chip and its so obviously better, there is nothing to debate. No one cares about performance per watt, its like someone ran a 5k race, came in 3rd and said "Well at least I burned fewer calories than the winner!"
- const_cast 1y ago
  > No Nvidia chip = B tier at best. Nvidia chip = 45 minutes of battery life
  - guappa 1y ago
    You know they can be turned on or off depending on need right?
    - const_cast 1y ago
      Yes, but a few problems: 1. Turning them on/off ala bumblebee isn't a solved problem. It's buggy, especially on not-windows. Even on windows, it's going to be buggy especially in regards to sleep. 2. You obviously lose the advantage of a nvidia GPU that way. If you have to always have it off to get decent battery life, which you do, then it's kind of moot. If you turn it on for your 30 minute workload then there goes 70% of your battery.
      - guappa 1y ago
        And you can never ever plug it to the power grid because?
        const_cast 1y ago
        You can, I just think it's inconvenient so I favor laptops with better battery. Besides, I almost never find myself being on the go and needing a dedicated GPU.
pjmlp 1y ago
Only on countries where people earn salaries big enough to pay for the Apple hardware tax.
- alex_smart 1y ago
  What Apple hardware tax? The macbook air is the best value laptop there is. If the latest version is out of the budget, you can buy older generations used. Even m1 air would be better than any windows laptop at a comparable price point.
  - pjmlp 1y ago
    Yeah, because only being able to afford used stuff is such a great place to be.
    - alex_smart 1y ago
      Better than buying a new but crap product for sure?
      - pjmlp 1y ago
        70% of the world doesn't think it is crap. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide

pathartl 1y ago

Superior hardware with terrible software. Also they straight up artificially limit their hardware so they don't cannibalize their sales, which is slightly understandable, but they do it in the dumbest ways. My SOs MacBook Air can only do one external monitor, even though it has the same specs as her work Pro. Oh and good luck actually getting that external display to work, I swear only like 50% of USB-C docks work on the platform.

microtonal 1y ago
My SOs MacBook Air can only do one external monitor, The MacBook Air M4 supports two external displays now (with the lid open): https://support.apple.com/guide/macbook-air/use-an-external-display-apd8cdd74f57/mac https://support.apple.com/guide/macbook-air/use-an-external-... My SOs MacBook Air can only do one external monitor, even though it has the same specs as her work Pro. The MacBook Pro with the non-Pro/Max chip (i.e. MacBook Pro M3) has the same limitations as the corresponding MacBook Air (i.e. MacBook Air M3).
gapan 1y ago
> Superior hardware with terrible software. Funny how that was the other way around just a few years ago. Macs had inferior hardware, but they were supposed to have better software. At least that's what the Mac users claimed.
- guappa 1y ago
  I fell for that, years ago. No the software wasn't superior either. I remember having to manually install codecs, which on linux had been a problem many many years before but had been solved already.

resource_waste 1y ago

>Macbooks are winning the laptop war because of superior hardware. No. This is just you repeating marketing. No Nvidia chip = B tier at best. I have a $700 Asus with a 3060 that is better. Go ahead and scale up to a $2000 computer with an Nvidia chip and its so obviously better, there is nothing to debate. No one cares about performance per watt, its like someone ran a 5k race, came in 3rd and said "Well at least I burned fewer calories than the winner!"

const_cast 1y ago
> No Nvidia chip = B tier at best. Nvidia chip = 45 minutes of battery life
- guappa 1y ago
  You know they can be turned on or off depending on need right?
  - const_cast 1y ago
    Yes, but a few problems: 1. Turning them on/off ala bumblebee isn't a solved problem. It's buggy, especially on not-windows. Even on windows, it's going to be buggy especially in regards to sleep. 2. You obviously lose the advantage of a nvidia GPU that way. If you have to always have it off to get decent battery life, which you do, then it's kind of moot. If you turn it on for your 30 minute workload then there goes 70% of your battery.
    - guappa 1y ago
      And you can never ever plug it to the power grid because?
      - const_cast 1y ago
        You can, I just think it's inconvenient so I favor laptops with better battery. Besides, I almost never find myself being on the go and needing a dedicated GPU.

pjmlp 1y ago

Only on countries where people earn salaries big enough to pay for the Apple hardware tax.

alex_smart 1y ago
What Apple hardware tax? The macbook air is the best value laptop there is. If the latest version is out of the budget, you can buy older generations used. Even m1 air would be better than any windows laptop at a comparable price point.
- pjmlp 1y ago
  Yeah, because only being able to afford used stuff is such a great place to be.
  - alex_smart 1y ago
    Better than buying a new but crap product for sure?
    - pjmlp 1y ago
      70% of the world doesn't think it is crap. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide