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nice article, would be nice also... some thoughts - who finances? everything goes to war, even post-victory, focus will be on replenishing and criticial infra.

nice article, would be nice also... some thoughts - who finances? everything goes to war, even post-victory, focus will be on replenishing and criticial infra. - shelters? only a handful of people with kids go to them

yakshaving_jgt 1y ago
Last time I was in Odesa, the shelter (which was our underground parking garage) had maybe 20-30 people each night. At the time, russia was firing cruise missiles and drones at the city literally every night. I suspect the future reconstruction effort is going to involve quite a lot more investment in underground shelters. I don't think Ukraine is going to trust russia for at least the next 100 years. Similar situation to Finland.
- troupo 1y ago
  Sweden only stopped mandatory bunkers in apartment buildings in the 80s IIRC. They might start again
  - vidarh 1y ago
    I'm Norwegian. The basement of my primary school was constructed to double as a bomb shelter.
    - soco 1y ago
      Swiss new housing isn't mandated to have underground bomb shelters as of late, but people are still planned to a shelter nearby - indeed schools or whatever else.
  - hagbard_c 1y ago
    Sweden currently has 65000 shelters [1] with space for about 7 million [2] people while the population has risen to more than 10 million people. According to MSB (Myndigheten för samhällsskydd och beredskap or 'civil protection and preparedness authority') no new shelter has been built since 2002 and 'no new shelters are being built at this moment - in their FAQ about the subject the answer to the question 'Can I build a new shelter' is 'No, at the moment no new shelters are being built in Sweden, it is up to the government to decide whether the current threat level mandates the construction of new shelters'. This only goes for public shelters - one of the 65000 mentioned above - and people are free to build their own shelters so it is hard to say how many shelters there actually are. [1] https://msbgis.maps.arcgis.com/apps/instant/nearby/index.html?appid=8bfc89e7c6064bc181c6a1a6bbac2fa3&sliderDistance=1 https://msbgis.maps.arcgis.com/apps/instant/nearby/index.htm... [2] https://www.riksbyggen.se/bostad/kopa-bostadsratt/lagar-och-regler/skyddsrum/ https://www.riksbyggen.se/bostad/kopa-bostadsratt/lagar-och-...
- xenator 1y ago
  In my childhood we had bunkers everywhere. In schools, daily care, around in the neighborhood. I never saw them functioning, but we knew about them. But during growing up them was completely abandoned and destroyed. It took only about 45-50 years after WW2 ended. We had them because of Germany. I spent my childhood in Ukraine.
ulrischa 1y ago
Germany will finance it you will see
fluder 1y ago
No one goes to shelters in Kharkov, the alarm can go on for 12 hours at a time. The missile flies for 40 seconds, the alarm usually goes off after the explosion.
- noeltock 1y ago
  exactly (ps: I live in kharkiv)

yakshaving_jgt 1y ago

Last time I was in Odesa, the shelter (which was our underground parking garage) had maybe 20-30 people each night. At the time, russia was firing cruise missiles and drones at the city literally every night. I suspect the future reconstruction effort is going to involve quite a lot more investment in underground shelters. I don't think Ukraine is going to trust russia for at least the next 100 years. Similar situation to Finland.

troupo 1y ago
Sweden only stopped mandatory bunkers in apartment buildings in the 80s IIRC. They might start again
- vidarh 1y ago
  I'm Norwegian. The basement of my primary school was constructed to double as a bomb shelter.
  - soco 1y ago
    Swiss new housing isn't mandated to have underground bomb shelters as of late, but people are still planned to a shelter nearby - indeed schools or whatever else.
- hagbard_c 1y ago
  Sweden currently has 65000 shelters [1] with space for about 7 million [2] people while the population has risen to more than 10 million people. According to MSB (Myndigheten för samhällsskydd och beredskap or 'civil protection and preparedness authority') no new shelter has been built since 2002 and 'no new shelters are being built at this moment - in their FAQ about the subject the answer to the question 'Can I build a new shelter' is 'No, at the moment no new shelters are being built in Sweden, it is up to the government to decide whether the current threat level mandates the construction of new shelters'. This only goes for public shelters - one of the 65000 mentioned above - and people are free to build their own shelters so it is hard to say how many shelters there actually are. [1] https://msbgis.maps.arcgis.com/apps/instant/nearby/index.html?appid=8bfc89e7c6064bc181c6a1a6bbac2fa3&sliderDistance=1 https://msbgis.maps.arcgis.com/apps/instant/nearby/index.htm... [2] https://www.riksbyggen.se/bostad/kopa-bostadsratt/lagar-och-regler/skyddsrum/ https://www.riksbyggen.se/bostad/kopa-bostadsratt/lagar-och-...
xenator 1y ago
In my childhood we had bunkers everywhere. In schools, daily care, around in the neighborhood. I never saw them functioning, but we knew about them. But during growing up them was completely abandoned and destroyed. It took only about 45-50 years after WW2 ended. We had them because of Germany. I spent my childhood in Ukraine.

ulrischa 1y ago

Germany will finance it you will see

fluder 1y ago

No one goes to shelters in Kharkov, the alarm can go on for 12 hours at a time. The missile flies for 40 seconds, the alarm usually goes off after the explosion.

noeltock 1y ago
exactly (ps: I live in kharkiv)