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The idea is the immigrates start having kids and reverse the decline. You'll see more multicultural marriages. This has already started. https://e.vnexpress.n

• somenameforme 1y ago
  Your article seems to be describing citizenship scams. Quoting it: "In 2022, out of the 792 South Korean women who entered into marriage with Vietnamese men, 556 were remarriages. Among these, 482, or 86.7%, were women who originally came from Vietnam and had become naturalized South Korean citizens. They acquired South Korean nationality through their first marriage with local men, then divorced, and later remarried Vietnamese men." Beyond this, many/most places in Asia have a culture that views previously married women, or single women over a certain age, very negatively. In China the term is 'leftover women.' That can make it difficult for these women to marry a local, and make it very easy for a foreigner to find a wife that may be more desirable than one he might be able to find in his own country. But it's not doing much of anything for fertility. --- But more generally, what you're implying here is that fertility is a cultural problem and not necessarily an e.g. economic one. And I completely agree with you on that. But you're essentially aiming to change the culture by simply bringing in an inconceivably large bunch of new people (relative to previous migrations) and assuming things will turn out okay. But wouldn't it be rather less extreme to simply push for sustainable cultural values to begin with? Most Western nations are still fairly close to sustainable levels.
  • 999900000999 1y ago
    >But wouldn't it be rather less extreme to simply push for sustainable cultural values to begin with? Completely change a culture that's developed over hundreds of years to make life too stressful to raise a family ? The moment people(women) had the agency to opt out they did. >Most Western nations are still fairly close to sustainable levels. >Summary: U.S. population growth is projected to decline, and the population will become much older over time. Preventing these outcomes will require faster immigration by several multiples of its current rate. https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2024/3/22/us-demographic-projections-with-and-without-immigration https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2024/3/22/us-de... Immigration is holding up the populations of many western nations. Honestly it might just be time for a economic system that doesn't demand infinite growth. Who are we to tell a 25 year old to settle down and have 2.1 kids. This is really a triumph of individual freedom over anything else. 100 years ago you'd be 20, pressured to marry someone you don't really like, and expected to have kids even if you'd rather do something else. The current generation is largely saying no. It's not just an economic issue, most negative population growth countries are relatively wealthy. It's a matter of individual autonomy.
    • somenameforme 1y ago
      You're intuition's a bit off on this issue. Here [1] is one poll on American's preferences in terms of fertility, among countless others you can find. They all tell the same tale: Americans want to have children, but aren't. And even those that have children aren't having as many as they want. The overall number that do not want to have children at all (8%) is verging on statistical noise. And the motivation for having a stable, and ideally growing, population isn't about economics - it's about culture. Countries aren't defined by borders, but by the people within those borders. If you simply swap the populations of America and Saudi Arabia they're not going to start acting just fundamentally different. The two countries would begin to rapidly resemble the countries the people came from, even if the old rules and establishment initially remained in place. And Western culture has currently found itself in an unsustainable place which means that if things don't change, it will simply die only to be replaced. And I think that'd be a shame, because while it has its own deep flaws, it's undeniable that Western culture has had an extremely positive overall influence on the world. [1] - https://news.gallup.com/poll/511238/americans-preference-larger-families-highest-1971.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/511238/americans-preference-lar...
      • 999900000999 1y ago
        >And Western culture has currently found itself in an unsustainable place which means that if things don't change, it will simply die only to be replaced. And I think that'd be a shame, because while it has its own deep flaws, it's undeniable that Western culture has had an extremely positive overall influence on the world. Your not wrong, but I think your dealing with an overly optimistic view of things. Just because someone says in a poll they want a family doesn't mean they have the means to start one. At 19 my first girlfriend wanted twins, but it would have completely infesible for that to happen. If we want this dream world to happen, it would need to be one where you can graduate highschool, buy a house and support a family. This mythical time has only existed once in American history. Less people are making it. When you can barely eat, getting married and having a family isn't likely. And the decline in marriage rates supports this. >We find that marriage rates among the middle class have declined significantly over the past 40 years and have now fallen below those in the top income quintile. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/middle-class-marriage-is-declining-and-likely-deepening-inequality/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/middle-class-marriage-is-...