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Why "finally"? To me, KDE's job should be to organize and render windows, application launcher icons, and the like If I want a virtual machine, I'll use a vir

Why "finally"? To me, KDE's job should be to organize and render windows, application launcher icons, and the like If I want a virtual machine, I'll use a virtual machine for that All this "KDE suite" stuff and what not is unnecesarry - some of these are good pieces of software that I like to use, but there's no reason they need any integration with a desktop environment (arguably a few basics like a file manager, VTE and plain text editor are expected and fine but in theory also can be wholly separate) Also, any integration attempts like making the icons a common asset rather than each application have their own, _fail_ and make things worse, with these integrations applications less often have working icons at all, and more often have mistakes like black icons against a black background making them invisible

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justaj 1y ago
This. I tried Neon Stable a while ago and it felt like the developers were already spread thin across the KDE ecosystem. I think more projects like this (while not otherwise intended) will only exacerbate these issues.
- c-hendricks 1y ago
  For some reason I doubt this summer of code project by a university student will take meaningful development resources from the rest of KDE.
p4bl0 1y ago
> To me, KDE's job should be to organize and render windows, application launcher icons, and the like I believe you are confusing Plasma, which is KDE's desktop environment, and the KDE Project, which also hosts a lot of applications that can be used with or without Plasma, many of which are multiplatforms. Even on Windows one can use a lot of KDE apps without using their desktop environment, Plasma. It's also totally possible to use Plasma without any of the KDE apps, not even the file manager (Dolphin), the VTE (Konsole), or the simple text editor (Kwrite). Historically, the desktop environment was KDE (Kool Desktop Environment), but it's been quite a long time since the DE is one among many software that the KDE project works on. That said, I 100% agree with you on icons, and never used an icon theme :).
skydhash 1y ago
I moved (back) to sway exactly for these reasons. Sure there should be integration between different part of the systems, but each part should be compartmentalized. Both gnome and kde are fine environments but only if you subscribed to the whole thing. XFCE is more modular than both.
sph 1y ago
> Also, any integration attempts like making the icons a common asset rather than each application have their own, _fail_ and make things worse, with these integrations applications less often have working icons at all, and more often have mistakes like black icons against a black background making them invisible One thing the GNOME community got right, despite the clamour and gnashing of teeth. https://stopthemingmy.app/ https://stopthemingmy.app/ Consistent cross-app theming support is a pipe dream from the 90s that has never worked, except in manicured screenshots to get karma points on /r/unixporn
- anthk 1y ago
  It did for me. Zukitre, which is gray neutral, and Papirus or any uber complete icon theme. Problem solved.
- wkat4242 1y ago
  It works pretty well for Qt apps though. They just theme the titlebar and some things like fonts. I don't want every app to have a different look or 'brand' as that page says. I want my system to be consistent.
  - 1oooqooq 1y ago
    the last version of plasma is here to prove your wrong. open the color panel and tick the option "tint window title bar with accent color"... which used to be just the window decorator title and borders. ... now some dev wanting to post screenshots on Reddit decided the accent color should be a light pastel tone that can be applied to the top elements of the qt application, bringing back the worst of gnome 2 era.
    - wkat4242 1y ago
      I'm pretty sure I have that option turned on. I love the accent colour option (2 years ago in the anniversary release of plasma 5 I think) but it's only recent so not all apps have incorporated it yet. But I don't really understand what goes wrong there.
jeroenhd 1y ago
KDE has been building tools for decades now. Browsers, email clients, contacts management, you name it. KDE 1 already included a file explorer and [was already developing an office suite at the time](https://kde.org/announcements/1-2-3/1.0/ https://kde.org/announcements/1-2-3/1.0/). KDE's suite goes back to its very beginnings. Plasma is only a small part of KDE's toolkit, and that's why KDE is so popular. Hell, most of Plasma has no business being part of a window manager. If you just want something to render windows, there are much more minimalist alternatives, such as LXDE, Hyprland, Sway, i3, and so on.
- p4bl0 1y ago
  > KDE has been building tools for decades now. Browsers, email clients, contacts management, you name it. Yes, and it has to be said that the most popular browser engine (used in Chrome, Safari, Opera, Edge, …) has its root in the KDE project as WebKit was originally a fork of KHTML :).
nixosbestos 1y ago
Because virt-manager, virt-viewer and everything SPICE related is hot, steaming, unmaintained shit. I've reported so many bugs it's not even funny. Audio is completely broken in my VMs now. It breaks regularly, restarting the viewer session used to fix it, now it just produces garbled ear piercing audio. No responses. No responses to issues where i ask for packaging guidance in case we don't configure it the way they expect. It's truly unfortunate. And I'm betting that KDE is probably just using virt/spice components, but at least it won't be GTK3 near-abandonware.

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justaj 1y ago

This. I tried Neon Stable a while ago and it felt like the developers were already spread thin across the KDE ecosystem. I think more projects like this (while not otherwise intended) will only exacerbate these issues.

c-hendricks 1y ago
For some reason I doubt this summer of code project by a university student will take meaningful development resources from the rest of KDE.

p4bl0 1y ago

> To me, KDE's job should be to organize and render windows, application launcher icons, and the like I believe you are confusing Plasma, which is KDE's desktop environment, and the KDE Project, which also hosts a lot of applications that can be used with or without Plasma, many of which are multiplatforms. Even on Windows one can use a lot of KDE apps without using their desktop environment, Plasma. It's also totally possible to use Plasma without any of the KDE apps, not even the file manager (Dolphin), the VTE (Konsole), or the simple text editor (Kwrite). Historically, the desktop environment was KDE (Kool Desktop Environment), but it's been quite a long time since the DE is one among many software that the KDE project works on. That said, I 100% agree with you on icons, and never used an icon theme :).

skydhash 1y ago

I moved (back) to sway exactly for these reasons. Sure there should be integration between different part of the systems, but each part should be compartmentalized. Both gnome and kde are fine environments but only if you subscribed to the whole thing. XFCE is more modular than both.

sph 1y ago

> Also, any integration attempts like making the icons a common asset rather than each application have their own, _fail_ and make things worse, with these integrations applications less often have working icons at all, and more often have mistakes like black icons against a black background making them invisible One thing the GNOME community got right, despite the clamour and gnashing of teeth. https://stopthemingmy.app/ https://stopthemingmy.app/ Consistent cross-app theming support is a pipe dream from the 90s that has never worked, except in manicured screenshots to get karma points on /r/unixporn

anthk 1y ago
It did for me. Zukitre, which is gray neutral, and Papirus or any uber complete icon theme. Problem solved.
wkat4242 1y ago
It works pretty well for Qt apps though. They just theme the titlebar and some things like fonts. I don't want every app to have a different look or 'brand' as that page says. I want my system to be consistent.
- 1oooqooq 1y ago
  the last version of plasma is here to prove your wrong. open the color panel and tick the option "tint window title bar with accent color"... which used to be just the window decorator title and borders. ... now some dev wanting to post screenshots on Reddit decided the accent color should be a light pastel tone that can be applied to the top elements of the qt application, bringing back the worst of gnome 2 era.
  - wkat4242 1y ago
    I'm pretty sure I have that option turned on. I love the accent colour option (2 years ago in the anniversary release of plasma 5 I think) but it's only recent so not all apps have incorporated it yet. But I don't really understand what goes wrong there.

jeroenhd 1y ago

KDE has been building tools for decades now. Browsers, email clients, contacts management, you name it. KDE 1 already included a file explorer and [was already developing an office suite at the time](https://kde.org/announcements/1-2-3/1.0/ https://kde.org/announcements/1-2-3/1.0/). KDE's suite goes back to its very beginnings. Plasma is only a small part of KDE's toolkit, and that's why KDE is so popular. Hell, most of Plasma has no business being part of a window manager. If you just want something to render windows, there are much more minimalist alternatives, such as LXDE, Hyprland, Sway, i3, and so on.

p4bl0 1y ago
> KDE has been building tools for decades now. Browsers, email clients, contacts management, you name it. Yes, and it has to be said that the most popular browser engine (used in Chrome, Safari, Opera, Edge, …) has its root in the KDE project as WebKit was originally a fork of KHTML :).

nixosbestos 1y ago

Because virt-manager, virt-viewer and everything SPICE related is hot, steaming, unmaintained shit. I've reported so many bugs it's not even funny. Audio is completely broken in my VMs now. It breaks regularly, restarting the viewer session used to fix it, now it just produces garbled ear piercing audio. No responses. No responses to issues where i ask for packaging guidance in case we don't configure it the way they expect. It's truly unfortunate. And I'm betting that KDE is probably just using virt/spice components, but at least it won't be GTK3 near-abandonware.