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In covid had a whirlpool dishwasher that lasted less than 3 years (4 subsystems failing all at the same time)...it was either wait 2-X months for the Miele we w

In covid had a whirlpool dishwasher that lasted less than 3 years (4 subsystems failing all at the same time)...it was either wait 2-X months for the Miele we wanted, or pay twice as much to have it today. ($2k vs $1k) I'm uncomfortably enamored with this dishwasher. (Bought it over a Bosch as the percentage needing repair in the first year was 8% instead of 12% and I was flat done with it.) The dishwasher is fully enclosed...the typical DW is open at the back with all the guts just barely contained in an open structure. To balance the dishwasher, you slide it into the nook and turn two bolt heads that have a mechanism that raise the back of the dishwasher after it's set in place. There are instructions on how to install matching cabinet faces...the buttons are on the top of the door...if you want zero indication you have a dishwasher, they'll accomodate. While the drawers(?) are well thought out and can take a lot of dishes, it shines when you're entertaining, it flat SOAKS UP dishes and flatware and has cycles to safely wash crystal. We never seem to use this. It has pucks full of detergent, a load now a days costs about $1.80...more than I'd like, but the simple avoidance of pouring soap and having a sixpack delivered when you need it is a crazy luxury. 5 years in and it's been faultless.

rfrey 1y ago
Do I understand from this that they lock you into... proprietary soap?
- potato3732842 1y ago
  You can toss a spoon of powder into any dishwasher before pressing go.
- dagw 1y ago
  You don't have to use it, as the machines still have the option to use normal dish washer tablets. But if you want to use their auto dosing feature (in theory it works out how dirty your dishes are and does only as much detergent as you need), then yes you're locked into their proprietary system, and paying 2-4 times as much per wash.
- Damogran6 1y ago
  Stockholders are all about the after-sale subscription model. The convenience outweighs the cost at this point. I'm not proud about it.
gruez 1y ago
>The dishwasher is fully enclosed...the typical DW is open at the back with all the guts just barely contained in an open structure. That seems.. fine? Why spend a bunch of money/effort on dressing up something that'd get seen for a few hours max? >It has pucks full of detergent, a load now a days costs about $1.80...more than I'd like, but the simple avoidance of pouring soap and having a sixpack delivered when you need it is a crazy luxury. Is pouring out detergent powder really that much of an advantage? At best you're saving a few seconds because you don't have to portion out the soap. Using loose detergent also means you can sprinkle a bit outside of the dispenser, which improves the per-rinse cycle. That means you're getting a worse wash by using tablets, because there's only detergent for the main cycle.
- Damogran6 1y ago
  You'd be surprised. I don't like the lock in, but it sure makes running a partial load easy (which, yeah, blows the dollar cost ratio even more.) Enclosing the dishwasher keeps the internals dust free... It was awhile before I noticed, unlike every other dishwasher I'd ever owned, it didn't have a big heating coil sitting in the bottom of the dishwasher, the water heater is elsewhere. Listen, the goal is not to convince you. I would never have purchased it had COVID not done what COVID did to the supply chain. But there are subtly significant differences between this and a $500 plastic Memorial Day special.
kridsdale3 1y ago
I think we have the same one.

rfrey 1y ago

Do I understand from this that they lock you into... proprietary soap?

potato3732842 1y ago
You can toss a spoon of powder into any dishwasher before pressing go.
dagw 1y ago
You don't have to use it, as the machines still have the option to use normal dish washer tablets. But if you want to use their auto dosing feature (in theory it works out how dirty your dishes are and does only as much detergent as you need), then yes you're locked into their proprietary system, and paying 2-4 times as much per wash.
Damogran6 1y ago
Stockholders are all about the after-sale subscription model. The convenience outweighs the cost at this point. I'm not proud about it.

gruez 1y ago

>The dishwasher is fully enclosed...the typical DW is open at the back with all the guts just barely contained in an open structure. That seems.. fine? Why spend a bunch of money/effort on dressing up something that'd get seen for a few hours max? >It has pucks full of detergent, a load now a days costs about $1.80...more than I'd like, but the simple avoidance of pouring soap and having a sixpack delivered when you need it is a crazy luxury. Is pouring out detergent powder really that much of an advantage? At best you're saving a few seconds because you don't have to portion out the soap. Using loose detergent also means you can sprinkle a bit outside of the dispenser, which improves the per-rinse cycle. That means you're getting a worse wash by using tablets, because there's only detergent for the main cycle.

Damogran6 1y ago
You'd be surprised. I don't like the lock in, but it sure makes running a partial load easy (which, yeah, blows the dollar cost ratio even more.) Enclosing the dishwasher keeps the internals dust free... It was awhile before I noticed, unlike every other dishwasher I'd ever owned, it didn't have a big heating coil sitting in the bottom of the dishwasher, the water heater is elsewhere. Listen, the goal is not to convince you. I would never have purchased it had COVID not done what COVID did to the supply chain. But there are subtly significant differences between this and a $500 plastic Memorial Day special.

kridsdale3 1y ago

I think we have the same one.