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We are all Miele at home and for the next renewal, I will go to Bosch/Siemens. Too many small failures here and there (less than 8 year old). I was sincerely su
by Loic 1y ago
We are all Miele at home and for the next renewal, I will go to Bosch/Siemens. Too many small failures here and there (less than 8 year old). I was sincerely surprised because 20 years ago, Miele was the gold standard (at least in Germany). So, I agree with you.
- alexey-salmin 1y agoWell see: by the time I learned about Miele it's already too late!
- DSingularity 1y agoWhat about gaggenau?
- riehwvfbk 1y agoIt's the Bentley Bentayga of apppliances: same VW bones, fancy badge. Gaggenau is Bosch, exact same replacement parts fit.
- Der_Einzige 1y agoI compared Miele, Thermador, gaggenau, and regular Bosch 800 fridge side-by-side in a appliance store. There is nothing on those higher end versions which make them worth anything close to the markup on the Bosch 800 fridge. If I'm going to spend almost 2X, you better give me at a minimum fully metal and glass construction (almost no plastic). I get slightly more metal and slightly (very slightly) stronger plastics. That's about it. What a scam. Don't buy Miele or gaggenau. If you want a truly high end fridge, you'll need a built in made by someone like subzero or its competitors.
- imp0cat 1y agoI really feel that Bosch/Siemens are the best deals right now and there are only minor differences between them (a Simenes freezer might have an extra light fixture whereas the Bosch one does not).
- DSingularity 1y agoThanks! The thing that made me consider them were some deep dives into their ovens and counter top cooking surfaces. Those actually do seem superior. Have you compared them?
- Workaccount2 1y agoI know that German brands get a lot of cred, but I have never really experienced it much. And thinking about it, it kind of makes sense: Who in first world developed countries, that is smart, competent, and capable, wants to take a ho-hum salary to develop home appliances? From an economic and financial perspective, it doesn't make sense for Germany to pump out high quality innovative home wares. The brightest German minds aren't working on stove tops, nor should they be. It makes way more sense for emerging economies to dominate in the space, and unsurprisingly China now seems to be the global hub of mid-tech manufacturing, with lots of innovation in this space.
- Loic 1y agoIt makes sense, in Europe, German people are the ones spending the most in kitchen hardware (both appliances and furniture). So naturally, companies have been serving this market. Anecdote, high end Miele appliances have been running Linux for a couple of years.
- m463 1y agowasn't there an article posted recently where the bosch dishwasher needed the phone app for common funcitons?
- Loic 1y agoYes, but they keep a series without these "cloud" (dis)functions.