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I think you missed a point there. Maybe your perspective is one of having a fixed residence for all of your life. Unfortunately, my life didn't progress that wa

• intended 14y ago
  Well that's optimism, and it is naive. The govt clauses for residence proof are ostensibly to track Terror. To know where a user of a suspected phone number lives, or who used which cyber cafe. Further you are in a minority, but your needs are servable. Further your needs and requirements are completely and utterly contravening the original purpose the system was sold under. The original was supposed to be to help the poor avail of public services. Your use cases are all servable by the private sector. Hardly the reason for yet another ID system. Especially when your primary aim of not having recursive paper work is un touched. So how is this better?
  • ashray 14y ago
    How exactly are getting public healthcare, education, or crossing borders servable by the private sector ? Replacing multiple authentication vectors (voters ID, driving license, etc.) by a single acceptable ID is certainly a step towards simplicity that I welcome. All the IDs that you mentioned in your initial reply are useless or unavailable in many cases. PAN - non tax payers don't have them Driving License - people who don't drive don't have them Ration card - people who don't take ration don't have them Passport - people who don't travel dont have them Voters ID - people who don't live in the jurisdiction of their permanent residences don't have them I don't see how you drew the conclusion that I am in a minority with small numbers. With 1.2 billion people there are plenty of Indians living and working across state borders, etc. All of the defense/government employees to start with..
    • intended 14y ago
      Hey hey, its your posts which started with talking about how life was tough to get a bank account for example. > " to be able to open a bank account/do other administrative shit with just one ID card." Where did getting public healthcare, education or crossing borders come up? For those I would point out other known failings. Come now, that's nearly a bait and switch. In your second response you say: " Maybe your perspective is one of having a fixed residence for all of your life. Unfortunately, my life didn't progress that way and every time I move to a new place I have to go through the same rigmarole all over again." So perhaps if you aren't referring to bank accounts you may mean education which you refer to. Thats possible with a transfer certificate and transcripts, and at most, a birth certificate. Having personally navigated one of the worst possible categories of transfers into the Indian education system, I can say that Identity, was never an issue. Sloth, confounding rules, paperwork were greater transgressors. Now regards your other points. Having several family members in defense, and the government ID is not an issue for them. As far as I know the Def. forces have their own ways of ensuring proof of residence. I can try and check up to confirm if need be. Regarding the list of ID systems you provided. PAN: Non tax payers dont have them. But Tax payers do. And given the recent conversions in Tax policy, thats a larger portion of the population. But that still ignroes - Ration Card: This is extremely common. From discussions with hired help on their situation, they are nearly religious in the way they value the card and make sure they have one. And for a more universal measure of its prevalence, do note that its one of the first and most common things given to people to regularize slums and shanties. So for the worse off sections of society its extremely prevalent. And if THAT doesn't work: There are Voter ID cards which fill the void for people who don't travel. ----------------------- These are issues which are not tech issues, but in reality are people problems. We can never remove the need for discipline, civic sense, and standards in service delivery. Other countries have managed without retina scanners, or finger print IDs of all their citizens. Saying that we are a special case where we need tech to solve our problems is a red herring. Its also a rejection of responsibility and the burden we must carry. There is no quick fix for this. There is also a major reason why all those countries which did conceive of using a UID system like ours, balked and fled. If having the finger prints of every citizen doesn't bother you, then we really can't see eye to eye. ----------------------- It seems you are mostly troubled by the paper work, in particular, for proof of residence. That's not something the UID system will ever solve. The Govt has no intention of ever rolling back those clauses. The political calculus and players are harshly inimical at worst to the idea, and couldn't care less if they tried, at best. UID or not, you will always need to provide proof that you live there. The only thing the UID will do is become an umbrella number which will help track where you stay, which Cafe's you use and when, what your taxes are and more. All in the name of helping people suffering from middle men and not being able to get their ration. There is already constant feature creep - the ideal behind this was a way to help the poorer of us get access to resources and help, without the middle man. It is written in its founding document that no services will be denied due to lack of a UID. Recently the MP govt. stated that a UID card is compulsory to avail of piped gas. You have good reason to trust your govt. I assume. The convenience perhaps.